Official 2023 HQ RPG VOTING!!!

[rusty_shackleford]

Moonring was actually pretty decent from what I played btw, I should get around to playing it again

[1998]

Codex top 10 2023

[rusty_shackleford]

Codex top 10 2023

Too easily manipulated by people who merely dislike a game without ever playing it giving it low scores.
Also, if nobody knew that votes were discarded that were merely anti-votes, BG3 would have swept house. Yes, they toss out votes they don't like, Felipepepe admitted to this when Disco Elysium won after all the 1/5 votes for it were tossed out. So you just vote for multiple games instead of giving one game a 1/5 to deny it winning.

[Tweed]

Feelapeepee always rigs the votes how he wants.

[rusty_shackleford]

Feelapeepee always rigs the votes how he wants.

How do you even pick how to rank games using such a convoluted process? There's a hundred different ways to rank them to get the outcome you want.
BG3 technically has more people rating it 5/5 than any of the other games on that screenshot, by a statistically significant margin. If you look at the 1/5 % and compare it to CP2077 Phantom Liberty, it happens to be the exact same %, coincidence or people just giving 1/5s to games they don't want to win despite not playing it?

I'm not a fan of voting systems that encourage negative voting.

[edit]
Also, anyone calling BG3 WOKE but claiming JA3 isn't is in deep denial. I quit playing the game because of all the over the top girlbosses.
Surprisingly, out of the big name games, Roguey Trader ended up being the least 'woke'. They really dialed it back from wotr.

[1998]

Feelapeepee always rigs the votes how he wants.

How do you even pick how to rank games using such a convoluted process? There's a hundred different ways to rank them to get the outcome you want.
BG3 technically has more people rating it 5/5 than any of the other games on that screenshot, by a statistically significant margin. If you look at the 1/5 % and compare it to CP2077 Phantom Liberty, it happens to be the exact same %, coincidence or people just giving 1/5s to games they don't want to win despite not playing it?

I'm not a fan of voting systems that encourage negative voting.

I think it was probably one part Underrail winning over AoD which pissed off many, and then their claim of uncovering hidden gems with their voting. So they had to make sure they can move the ranking as needed.

[rusty_shackleford]

I think it was probably one part Underrail winning over AoD which pissed off many, and then their claim of uncovering hidden gems with their voting. So they had to make sure they can move the ranking as needed.

There's value in being able to find hidden gems, but the actual GOTY award should be as straightforward and transparent as possible. Set some cutoff for what you consider a 'member' to be and let them vote in a straightforward fashion.
With regard to 'hidden gems', it's why I allowed voting for up to 3 titles so one title didn't completely dominate while the others only got a handful of votes at best. I'm sure there's better ways to do this, but it has to remain simple.

[1998]

I think it was probably one part Underrail winning over AoD which pissed off many, and then their claim of uncovering hidden gems with their voting. So they had to make sure they can move the ranking as needed.

With regard to 'hidden gems', it's why I allowed voting for up to 3 titles so one title didn't completely dominate while the others only got a handful of votes at best. I'm sure there's better ways to do this, but it has to remain simple.

Don't think they ever "found" any. Its just too much of a niche and the player base is too small. If there is something really worth playing, it doesn't need an annual vote to uncover.

Still, voting for 3 titles with equal weight is obviously good.

[Gunnar]

I haven’t played any of the games on the list. Skimming through, mostly not interested in the ones I recognize but there are some I’ve never heard of.

Give Caves of Lore a try?

I just played for an hour and it seems like a fun game that I would normally like however I really don’t like the learn by use system.

[Roguey]

Also, anyone calling BG3 WOKE but claiming JA3 isn't is in deep denial. I quit playing the game because of all the over the top girlbosses.

No queers in JA3 as far as I know though, just women and blacks.

[rusty_shackleford]

Also, anyone calling BG3 WOKE but claiming JA3 isn't is in deep denial. I quit playing the game because of all the over the top girlbosses.

No queers in JA3 as far as I know though, just women and blacks.

Black mercenaries make sense

[Lord of Riva]

If we exclude the first place game(c'mon, everyone knew this), we have an interesting three-way tie right now.

Roguey Trader, Caves of Lore, and JA3?

Rogue trader, while I really liked their general take of the setting does not deserve any mention in the realm of GOTY.

It's not even the bugs, I can live with those, but many of the game design decisions regarding combat. It simply is very mediocre which is a shame coming from Build Porn WOTR.

[Lord of Riva]

Also, anyone calling BG3 WOKE but claiming JA3 isn't is in deep denial. I quit playing the game because of all the over the top girlbosses.
Surprisingly, out of the big name games, Roguey Trader ended up being the least 'woke'. They really dialed it back from wotr.

Sorry but no. While I had to defend my Opinion that JA3 is woke, because it is, it is far, far removed from what BG3 does.

Yes both are woke, but BG3 is on another level. That normally based people think BG3 is okayish in this regard and I guess that is because the game in itself is competently made, is the biggest cope of the century.

[Lord of Riva]

I haven’t played any of the games on the list. Skimming through, mostly not interested in the ones I recognize but there are some I’ve never heard of.

Give Caves of Lore a try?

I just played for an hour and it seems like a fun game that I would normally like however I really don’t like the learn by use system.

I've played through it until reaching roughly the half-way point and I really like learn by use systems what bothered me is endless skill scaling. At some point it felt like Cookie clicker, which was a shame. Things should come to an end, upgrades to player strength should exist and so should mixing up skills in a playthrough, which just was not necessary until that point in CoL

[rusty_shackleford]

Also, anyone calling BG3 WOKE but claiming JA3 isn't is in deep denial. I quit playing the game because of all the over the top girlbosses.
Surprisingly, out of the big name games, Roguey Trader ended up being the least 'woke'. They really dialed it back from wotr.

Sorry but no. While I had to defend my Opinion that JA3 is woke, because it is, it is far, far removed from what BG3 does.

Yes both are woke, but BG3 is on another level. That normally based people think BG3 is okayish in this regard and I guess that is because the game in itself is competently made, is the biggest cope of the century.

They're both giga-woke.

[Lord of Riva]

They're both giga-woke.

Well I disagree on the statement. JA3 shows it's wokeness through 2 things: Character design (especially in the specialisation) and *some* story beats from main to side content.

Comparing Bear fucking to that and saying it's the same may be a bit much.

[rusty_shackleford]

Comparing Bear fucking to that

I'm curious where you place games that feature actual animal sex(e.g., Arcanum) vs Baldur's Gate that is sex with a sapient human in an animal form?

JA3 is full of girlbosses, I'm surprised you seemingly didn't notice this. I was completely put off by it.

[Lord of Riva]

Comparing Bear fucking to that

I'm curious where you place games that feature actual animal sex(e.g., Arcanum) vs Baldur's Gate that is sex with a sapient human in an animal form?

JA3 is full of girlbosses, I'm surprised you seemingly didn't notice this. I was completely put off by it.

Well I think Arcanums take is a Joke, while BG3 is not.

That is what I meant regarding the character designs: Girlbosses, women leaders and all mechanics being female. EDIT: What however is also different is that the men are not all shit.

I still rate that below bear fucking though.

[rusty_shackleford]

Well I think Arcanums take is a Joke, while BG3 is not.

It cuts to a squirrel dropping an acorn and fades to black.

[Lord of Riva]

Well I think Arcanums take is a Joke, while BG3 is not.

It cuts to a squirrel dropping an acorn and fades to black.

But is framed in the context of sex with a person you actually like and act romantically with. The other one is a sheep, which is a joke regarding actual sheep fuckers not as an aspect of romance towards a companion.

[rusty_shackleford]

The other one is a sheep,

Yeah. An actual animal you rape.

[Lord of Riva]

The other one is a sheep,

Yeah. An actual animal you rape.

As a Joke.

I do not think rape Jokes are problematic, they are still jokes. The idea that it should not be allowed or is problematic is something I also identify as woke.

EDIT: I'm not even sure why we are debating this, we both think the games are woke and the only difference is if we see them on the same level.

That is really not something of a hill worth dying on.

[Oyster Sauce]

It's only baad if the sheep consents

[Atlantico]

Also 2023?!

Yes. Did you not pay attention to the previous polls here or those rusty ran on codex? The 1 year wait is to reduce recency bias and give people a chance to play the games that came out near the end of the year.

Good thinking. Still I'd need like 5-10 years to catch up tbqh

[Roguey]

Black mercenaries make sense

The female mercenaries are from the first two games. A person who has no problem with 90s political correctness would have no problem with JA3.

[rusty_shackleford]

Black mercenaries make sense

The female mercenaries are from the first two games. A person who has no problem with 90s political correctness would have no problem with JA3.

I never said female mercenaries make sense, did I?

[rusty_shackleford]

Rogue trader, while I really liked their general take of the setting does not deserve any mention in the realm of GOTY.

It's not even the bugs, I can live with those, but many of the game design decisions regarding combat. It simply is very mediocre which is a shame coming from Build Porn WOTR.

The story & setting do a lot of heavy lifting.

[Roguey]

I never said female mercenaries make sense, did I?

You're saying both are woke. But JA3 could have been released in 1999 and it wouldn't feel out of place. BG3 would be extremely out of place, there were no big queer-celebration games back then.

[rusty_shackleford]

I never said female mercenaries make sense, did I?

You're saying both are woke. But JA3 could have been released in 1999 and it wouldn't feel out of place. BG3 would be extremely out of place, there were no big queer-celebration games back then.

I'm not a 90s liberal, so I don't care?

[rusty_shackleford]

"oh, this game has a more nuanced view of libtardism that came slightly prior to this view of libtardism…"

back it up, I don't give a shit