Vavra of Warhorse loves the gays

[rusty_shackleford]

@kalarion, fair enough. If i had know it would have sparked such immense reaction i think i would've been quiet lol.

Kicking the hornet nest is encouraged

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Really? how did it affect you. Give examples.

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[AmericanMonarchist]

I think being against it only serves as a good way for anyone who isn't a conservative to argue against conservatism, they'll get a win for free because there's really no good argument to be had here.

"You get more of what you tolerate" is the argument. Over a span of thirty years, we went from "We just want civil unions for tax purposes" to homosexuals dragging elementary kids to government-funded drag shows. Homosexuality, at best, should be openly scorned and illegal; while being silently tolerated by individuals as a guilty pleasure in rare circumstances. To put it another way, if a man is otherwise a pillar of the community but has never been married and lives with a close roommate, you don't pry further but still tell your kids to keep away from his house. That is how our ancestors treated homosexuality and it was a fair compromise.

[gerey]

Also it'll just fuel garbage like Pride etc, "look at us, we are still super oppressed". If you don't like gays, for whatever reason, the worst thing you can do to them is making them totally irrelevant.

We must tolerate faggots because otherwise they'll cry about oppression, and if we kill our enemies they win.

Cuckservatives gonna cuck, defending the rights of pedophiles to predate on children just so liberals don't call them mean names.

[Tangerine]

Also it'll just fuel garbage like Pride etc, "look at us, we are still super oppressed". If you don't like gays, for whatever reason, the worst thing you can do to them is making them totally irrelevant.

We must tolerate faggots because otherwise they'll cry about oppression, and if we kill our enemies they win.

Cuckservatives gonna cuck, defending the rights of pedophiles to predate on children just so liberals don't call them mean names.

The more tolerant we've become of fags, the more degenerate Pride has become. They want to push the boundaries of what is acceptable because they're a bunch of pedophiles looking to recruit.

[cleansingcarnage]

Also it'll just fuel garbage like Pride etc, "look at us, we are still super oppressed". If you don't like gays, for whatever reason, the worst thing you can do to them is making them totally irrelevant.

We must tolerate faggots because otherwise they'll cry about oppression, and if we kill our enemies they win.

Cuckservatives gonna cuck, defending the rights of pedophiles to predate on children just so liberals don't call them mean names.

Yep. The entirety of boomer-con morality boils down to the Golden Rule, and they treat it like an iron law of nature. Which is only possible for someone who has grown up in an existing high trust, high functionality society, but ironically opens up high trust societies to exploitation and predation.

At the end of the day they're still liberals and there's very little functional difference between them and any other liberals because they're operating on the same first principles and those are going to lead to the same conclusions. For better or worse the majority of Europeans are just extremely cooperative, trusting and compliant, which works well as long as literal parasites aren't calling the shots.

[cleansingcarnage]

Also, Vurt can say there's no argument to be made against the toleration of fags and gay shit (which has been shown to be false) but I would like to hear the cogent and sensible argument for it, because I haven't heard one yet.

[Boontaker]

Also it'll just fuel garbage like Pride etc, "look at us, we are still super oppressed". If you don't like gays, for whatever reason, the worst thing you can do to them is making them totally irrelevant.

We must tolerate faggots because otherwise they'll cry about oppression, and if we kill our enemies they win.

Cuckservatives gonna cuck, defending the rights of pedophiles to predate on children just so liberals don't call them mean names.

Yep. The entirety of boomer-con morality boils down to the Golden Rule, and they treat it like an iron law of nature. Which is only possible for someone who has grown up in an existing high trust, high functionality society, but ironically opens up high trust societies to exploitation and predation.

At the end of the day they're still liberals and there's very little functional difference between them and any other liberals because they're operating on the same first principles and those are going to lead to the same conclusions. For better or worse the majority of Europeans are just extremely cooperative, trusting and compliant, which works well as long as literal parasites aren't calling the shots.

The only positive argument to be made for the inclusion of fags or pronouns is also an argument against fags and pronouns.

Fags and pronouns are a glaring red flag for mental health issues. Fags are generally individuals who had poor (bad, not economic related) childhoods. Underloved, or molested/abused children becomes fags. Mentally weak people and predators use pronouns.

The inclusion of these things "may" alleviate mental stress for these people.

However it would also normalize these things which is a bigger negative for society.

[vurt]

I think a lot has to do where you're coming from. In Sweden it wouldn't rank in the top 10 current issues for a conservative. It's why i opened with where i'm from. Islam and gayness both being heavily promoted here sure is... interesting. What could possibly go wrong...

As for the rome burning meme, what about not getting kids, not getting married, spending too much time with games and interent, it's also a big part, probably bigger part of the decline, and that's not just a mere 3% of the population... If you're as nationalistic as you claim, get married, get a LOT of kids, don't sit on forums or play games all day. I'm sure the führer would be proud.

[cleansingcarnage]

I think a lot has to do where you're coming from. In Sweden it wouldn't rank in the top 10 current issues for a conservative. It's why i opened with where i'm from. Islam and gayness both being heavily promoted here sure is... interesting. What could possibly go wrong...

As for the rome burning meme, what about not getting kids, not getting married, spending too much time with games and interent, it's also a big part, probably bigger part of the decline, and that's not just a mere 3% of the population... If you're as nationalistic as you claim, get married, get a LOT of kids, don't sit on forums or play games all day. I'm sure the führer would be proud.

Point is that all of these things are related and promoted as part of an agenda to restructure culture and society in ways none of us here want. The entire reason you get gays and muslims as part of a broader coalition, making the same basic arguments about how everything is owed to them because of their minority status, is because it's currently in their interest to work in the same general direction against YOU. It's a concerted effort to normalize everything that should not be normal in a European society and denigrate everything that IS normal. That's why it's counterintuitive to say that you don't want woke shit being shoved in your face, but that you'll tolerate the foot soldiers in the movement to do exactly that.

The Roman Decline meme is apt because pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and ignoring the issues isn't a wholistic solution. Of course it's good to be more independent and have children, but that's not the end of the story. After that, the question becomes, what kind of society to you want your children to be raised in? And if the responsibility does fall totally on you as an individual, then I assume that you wouldn't want fags involved in your children's lives in any way and would seek appropriate circumstances. Extend that logic out far enough and you have to question what the point of accommodating them socially, culturally and politically even is in the first place.

[gerey]

The Roman Decline meme is apt because pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and ignoring the issues isn't a wholistic solution.

The side that wants to win always beats the side that wants to be left alone.

Extend that logic out far enough and you have to question what the point of accommodating them socially, culturally and politically even is in the first place.

The funny part is that they've been accommodated for decades, and what did we get out of it? Did fags become productive, contributing members of society? Did tolerating them improve our lives in any significant way? Did we achieve some resounding cultural victory over the rest of the globe?

The answer to all those questions is a resounding no.

Tolerating them has only led to demands that we must unconditionally approve of them, that they must be included in every aspect of society, that they need unlimited and unsupervised access to our children.

They've made a mockery of marriage, they put the whole of society through yearly repeated humiliation rituals where they parade naked in front of children, present their degeneracy for all to see, and dare you to do something about it. The number of cases of STDs has skyrocketed, and the vast majority can be traced back to fags (and minorities), they fuck each other with wild abandon, prey on children, actively seek to infect others with diseases, constantly champion importing hostile minorities that will ultimately throw them off rooftops and make it abundantly clear they despise Western civilization and White nations. In fact, tolerating them has made more of the world hostile to Whites, since these subhuman vermin use the might of Western nations to export their degeneracy to other place.

So why the fuck would anyone in their right mind tolerate faggots?

[vurt]

Point is that all of these things are related and promoted as part of an agenda to restructure culture and society in ways none of us here want. The entire reason you get gays and muslims as part of a broader coalition, making the same basic arguments about how everything is owed to them because of their minority status, is because it's currently in their interest to work in the same general direction against YOU. It's a concerted effort to normalize everything that should not be normal in a European society and denigrate everything that IS normal.

Is gaming normal, what about mostly sitting in front of a computer, eating garbage food / getting fat, not getting married or getting kids, AI, social media etc? Point is, you can claim all kinds of things "isn't normal" or shouldn't be normal because it wasn't part of how things used to be.
You people can roleplay you're ultra conservative or nationalists, but most of you really aren't, or at least you're not doing a good job of it apart from typing away on your computer. You think it's ok to ignore some parts which clearly IS a big part of the decline (and you could as easily argue part of a conspiracy or part of ruining you/us), you're part of it and thus you've become comfortable with it.

If a leftist would argue against you, he would likely say "oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then." you're arguing pretty much in this exact same way, in the most extreme way possible to try to get your idea through of how someone is COMPLETELY of the rails. I'm not saying either scenario couldn't be true, but it's also perhaps not entirely honest, things can be balanced so that it's neither of these extremes.

[rusty_shackleford]

Point is that all of these things are related and promoted as part of an agenda to restructure culture and society in ways none of us here want. The entire reason you get gays and muslims as part of a broader coalition, making the same basic arguments about how everything is owed to them because of their minority status, is because it's currently in their interest to work in the same general direction against YOU. It's a concerted effort to normalize everything that should not be normal in a European society and denigrate everything that IS normal.

Is gaming normal, what about mostly sitting in front of a computer, eating garbage food / getting fat, not getting married or getting kids, AI, social media etc? Point is, you can claim all kinds of things "isn't normal" or shouldn't be normal because it wasn't part of how things used to be.
You people can roleplay you're ultra conservative or nationalists, but most of you really aren't, or at least you're not doing a good job of it apart from typing away on your computer. You think it's ok to ignore some parts which clearly IS a big part of the decline (and you could as easily argue part of a conspiracy or part of ruining you/us), you're part of it and thus you've become comfortable with it.

If a leftist would argue against you, he would likely say "oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then." you're arguing pretty much in this exact same way, in the most extreme way possible to try to get your idea through of how someone is COMPLETELY of the rails. I'm not saying either scenario couldn't be true, but it's also perhaps not entirely honest, things can be balanced so that it's neither of these extremes.

bro they're taking people's kids away for refusing to pump them full of tranny hormones

[gerey]

oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then

Yes, unironically.

Or are you saying we should tolerate pedophiles?

[vurt]

bro they're taking people's kids away for refusing to pump them full of tranny hormones

I think i'd like a source for that. "Not everything you read on the internet" and all that... Not saying there could've been some crazy scenario like it though, but making it sound like it's the new norm. No it fucking isn't and you know that.

[A Chinese opium den]

bro they're taking people's kids away for refusing to pump them full of tranny hormones

I think i'd like a source for that. "Not everything you read on the internet" and all that... Not saying there could've been some crazy scenario like it though, but making it sound like it's the new norm. No it fucking isn't and you know that.

Look I don't know why you're still on about this corn business give it a rest.

[cleansingcarnage]

Point is that all of these things are related and promoted as part of an agenda to restructure culture and society in ways none of us here want. The entire reason you get gays and muslims as part of a broader coalition, making the same basic arguments about how everything is owed to them because of their minority status, is because it's currently in their interest to work in the same general direction against YOU. It's a concerted effort to normalize everything that should not be normal in a European society and denigrate everything that IS normal.

Is gaming normal, what about mostly sitting in front of a computer, eating garbage food / getting fat, not getting married or getting kids, AI, social media etc? Point is, you can claim all kinds of things "isn't normal" or shouldn't be normal because it wasn't part of how things used to be.
You people can roleplay you're ultra conservative or nationalists, but most of you really aren't, or at least you're not doing a good job of it apart from typing away on your computer. You think it's ok to ignore some parts which clearly IS a big part of the decline (and you could as easily argue part of a conspiracy or part of ruining you/us), you're part of it and thus you've become comfortable with it.

If a leftist would argue against you, he would likely say "oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then." you're arguing pretty much in this exact same way, in the most extreme way possible to try to get your idea through of how someone is COMPLETELY of the rails. I'm not saying either scenario couldn't be true, but it's also perhaps not entirely honest, things can be balanced so that it's neither of these extremes.

I don't really feel like you're engaging with the principles here. It isn't a refutation of anything that's been said to merely cast aspersions for which you have no evidence except for the fact that I'm here having a conversation with you. Nor is it an argument to say, "oh yeah, you've got problems with society? Well you're PART of society!"

You can't treat, "oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then," as some kind of unsurmountable obstacle, because your opponent WILL exploit that in order to browbeat you into giving them whatever they want. That's why they do it. They'll push your boundaries back further and further and if you're so afraid of being mean that you don't ever assert those boundaries you'll soon end up with no ground to stand on. If what you want is even merely some kind of balance, you'll never get it if you not only refuse to draw a line somewhere but actively argue against anyone who would.

[vurt]

oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then

Yes, unironically.

Or are you saying we should tolerate pedophiles?

sure, and next up for the camps are "those fucking lazy incel gamers who's never worked out a single day in their life, what purpose could they possibly serve".
are you saying we should tolerate this?

[rusty_shackleford]

bro they're taking people's kids away for refusing to pump them full of tranny hormones

I think i'd like a source for that. "Not everything you read on the internet" and all that... Not saying there could've been some crazy scenario like it though, but making it sound like it's the new norm. No it fucking isn't and you know that.

https://nypost.com/2024/05/23/us-news/m ... t-warrant/
https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/inte ... o-weigh-in


It's even worse in Canada. Some father had a gag put on him by the courts that prevented him from being even allowed to discuss his child undergoing transition
https://nypost.com/2021/03/18/man-arres ... violation/

“[The father’s] refusal to respect [the boy’s] decisions regarding his gender identity is troublesome,” Chief Justice Robert Bauman and Justice Barbara Fisher wrote in the January decision, according to Global News.

The father’s rejection of his son’s identity has caused the boy “significant pain” that has “resulted in a rupture of what both parties refer to as an otherwise loving parent-child relationship,” justices reportedly wrote.

Shockingly, libtards consider not cutting your kids dick and/or breasts off to be child abuse and are willing to use the state to seize your children and ruin your life.

[rusty_shackleford]

oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then

Yes, unironically.

Or are you saying we should tolerate pedophiles?

sure, and next up for the camps are "those fucking lazy incel gamers who's never worked out a single day in their life, what purpose could they possibly serve".
are you saying we should tolerate this?

So we have to tolerate pedophiles or else they'll come after gamers?

[Boontaker]

Point is that all of these things are related and promoted as part of an agenda to restructure culture and society in ways none of us here want. The entire reason you get gays and muslims as part of a broader coalition, making the same basic arguments about how everything is owed to them because of their minority status, is because it's currently in their interest to work in the same general direction against YOU. It's a concerted effort to normalize everything that should not be normal in a European society and denigrate everything that IS normal.

Is gaming normal, what about mostly sitting in front of a computer, eating garbage food / getting fat, not getting married or getting kids, AI, social media etc? Point is, you can claim all kinds of things "isn't normal" or shouldn't be normal because it wasn't part of how things used to be.
You people can roleplay you're ultra conservative or nationalists, but most of you really aren't, or at least you're not doing a good job of it apart from typing away on your computer. You think it's ok to ignore some parts which clearly IS a big part of the decline (and you could as easily argue part of a conspiracy or part of ruining you/us), you're part of it and thus you've become comfortable with it.

If a leftist would argue against you, he would likely say "oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then." you're arguing pretty much in this exact same way, in the most extreme way possible to try to get your idea through of how someone is COMPLETELY of the rails. I'm not saying either scenario couldn't be true, but it's also perhaps not entirely honest, things can be balanced so that it's neither of these extremes.

Camps are a waste of resources. Offer them medical aid or exile. Medicine to reduce libido first (fighting human nature while also dealing with mental trauma just makes recovery "hard mode"). Then therapy for childhood issues.

Unfortunately people who have been abused rarely speak out about it because of the perception of weakness about the victim. The varsity football star that got raped by uncle touchy doesn't want people to know despite how much pain it's causing him. As humans age their mind will do whatever it needs to in order to survive, including normalizing bad behaviour or just forgetting the experience entirely (which does NOT heal the trauma)

We should have been castrating child rapists for centuries to deter future offenders, instead we lightly punish them and put them on lists which likely just makes it easier for them to find eachother and pray on victims as a group.

Studies show that some victims feel conflicted about the abuse if it comes from a family member because they "love" the person and don't want the family to hate them or the abuser. This is why a strong incentive to NOT abuse a child is needed.

"Not all gays" blah blah, non abused gays are a symptom of the relationships of men and women breaking down and the over abundance of pornography, as well as mystery chemicals coming from somewhere.

They really are turning the frogs gay

Rope pedos, put women back in the kitchen, ban porn. It won't work overnight but it would be a great start.

[A Chinese opium den]

oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then

Yes, unironically.

Or are you saying we should tolerate pedophiles?

sure, and next up for the camps are "those fucking lazy incel gamers who's never worked out a single day in their life, what purpose could they possibly serve".
are you saying we should tolerate this?

We just wouldn't send those guys to the camps are you stupid?

[vurt]

Yes, unironically.

Or are you saying we should tolerate pedophiles?

sure, and next up for the camps are "those fucking lazy incel gamers who's never worked out a single day in their life, what purpose could they possibly serve".
are you saying we should tolerate this?

So we have to tolerate pedophiles or else they'll come after gamers?

...they'll be coming for ALL of the decline, the paedoes, the incels. maybe even the gingers. clean swoop!

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Point is that all of these things are related and promoted as part of an agenda to restructure culture and society in ways none of us here want. The entire reason you get gays and muslims as part of a broader coalition, making the same basic arguments about how everything is owed to them because of their minority status, is because it's currently in their interest to work in the same general direction against YOU. It's a concerted effort to normalize everything that should not be normal in a European society and denigrate everything that IS normal.

Is gaming normal, what about mostly sitting in front of a computer, eating garbage food / getting fat, not getting married or getting kids, AI, social media etc? Point is, you can claim all kinds of things "isn't normal" or shouldn't be normal because it wasn't part of how things used to be.
You people can roleplay you're ultra conservative or nationalists, but most of you really aren't, or at least you're not doing a good job of it apart from typing away on your computer. You think it's ok to ignore some parts which clearly IS a big part of the decline (and you could as easily argue part of a conspiracy or part of ruining you/us), you're part of it and thus you've become comfortable with it.

If a leftist would argue against you, he would likely say "oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then." you're arguing pretty much in this exact same way, in the most extreme way possible to try to get your idea through of how someone is COMPLETELY of the rails. I'm not saying either scenario couldn't be true, but it's also perhaps not entirely honest, things can be balanced so that it's neither of these extremes.

bro they're taking people's kids away for refusing to pump them full of tranny hormones

When I point this out this shit several months ago I was called a a liar and a spreader of fakes on this website. Look how times changed.

[cleansingcarnage]

oh, so you're against gay rights, so next up is concentration camps for them then

Yes, unironically.

Or are you saying we should tolerate pedophiles?

sure, and next up for the camps are "those fucking lazy incel gamers who's never worked out a single day in their life, what purpose could they possibly serve".
are you saying we should tolerate this?

You've internalized that Niemöller poem and made it your moral viewpoint.

"First they came for..."

Yeah, and then the world was a better place. Here's a better and much more honest quote:

"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles."

Rights and freedoms don't exist in the natural world. They're secured and granted through power, so giving other people power over you and expecting them to reciprocate when it's in their interest to take that power and use it to get even more instead is pathological. If you can't even say "no" then being a nice guy isn't going to get you anywhere.

[rusty_shackleford]

When I point this out this shit several months ago I was called a a liar and a spreader of fakes on this website. Look how times changed.

sounds fake

[vurt]

Yes, unironically.

Or are you saying we should tolerate pedophiles?

sure, and next up for the camps are "those fucking lazy incel gamers who's never worked out a single day in their life, what purpose could they possibly serve".
are you saying we should tolerate this?

You've internalized that Niemöller poem and made it your moral viewpoint.

Wasn't my viewpoint, i made a joke of his, turned it around and used gamers instead.

@rusty_shackleford yeah that's disgusting indeed. still, it's not a norm of course but yes, worrying.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

When I point this out this shit several months ago I was called a a liar and a spreader of fakes on this website. Look how times changed.

sounds fake

Its all made up bro you're getting tricked.

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[rusty_shackleford]

When I point this out this shit several months ago I was called a a liar and a spreader of fakes on this website. Look how times changed.

sounds fake

Its all made up bro you're getting tricked.

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yeah that sounds fake

[logincrash]

When I point this out this shit several months ago I was called a a liar and a spreader of fakes on this website. Look how times changed.

sounds fake

Its all made up bro you're getting tricked.

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Doesn't look like you were called a "liar and a spreader of fakes." You were just called stupid.