Vavra of Warhorse loves the gays

[Vergil]

Yes, when you have to resort to posting a lame meme as a means of "argumentation", you've lost. It's something you have learned being my age

It's not meant to be an argument. It's just a little joke poking at you. Relax. Smell the high quality textured leaves.

[Roguey]

These companies wouldn't go easier on the activism if it wasn't allowed, quite the opposite, you'd have more of it.

If you truly want ultra conservatism, do you really think it would impact gaming and being a gamer in a positive way? lol. How many of you are fat fucks who only sit around playing games and eating doritos, it's not as conservative as you might believe it is.

It used to be an official Wizards of the Coast policy to not allow any kind of homosexuality in a D&D game, Avellone spoke about it. When the majority of Americans were against gay marriage, it was a financial risk to put gay content in a game.

Trump winning will likely make AAA games more left leaning as well, because it fuels these activists with anger, does that mean you didn't want Trump to win, because it will impact your precious games?

Maybe instead don't buy games from these leftist companies, games flopping again and again is a pretty good way to fight activism.

Disney has already cancelled two trans kid cartoons in response to Trump's win, with the "Kamala is for they/them" ad being cited as one of the things that increased his popularity.

[vurt]

Yes, when you have to resort to posting a lame meme as a means of "argumentation", you've lost. It's something you have learned being my age

It's not meant to be an argument. It's just a little joke poking at you. Relax. Smell the high quality textured leaves.

Again, I was also joking, relax.

[Vergil]

Yes, when you have to resort to posting a lame meme as a means of "argumentation", you've lost. It's something you have learned being my age

It's not meant to be an argument. It's just a little joke poking at you. Relax. Smell the high quality textured leaves.

Again, I was also joking, relax.

This is heartbreaking.

[vurt]

These companies wouldn't go easier on the activism if it wasn't allowed, quite the opposite, you'd have more of it.

If you truly want ultra conservatism, do you really think it would impact gaming and being a gamer in a positive way? lol. How many of you are fat fucks who only sit around playing games and eating doritos, it's not as conservative as you might believe it is.

It used to be an official Wizards of the Coast policy to not allow any kind of homosexuality in a D&D game, Avellone spoke about it. When the majority of Americans were against gay marriage, it was a financial risk to put gay content in a game.

Trump winning will likely make AAA games more left leaning as well, because it fuels these activists with anger, does that mean you didn't want Trump to win, because it will impact your precious games?

Maybe instead don't buy games from these leftist companies, games flopping again and again is a pretty good way to fight activism.

Disney has already cancelled two trans kid cartoons in response to Trump's win, with the "Kamala is for they/them" ad being cited as one of the things that increased his popularity.

...and they're doing around 100 other things which is just the normal woke garbage that they've been doing for the last decades, so no, it doesn't mean they're doing it in response to Trump.

[Roderick]

Tons of extreme right-wing ideas going mainstream

[Tweed]

Really? how did it affect you. Give examples.

I used to be able to play fantasy games that didn't have any gay people in them, now they're in nearly all of them and I don't like it.

These companies wouldn't go easier on the activism if it wasn't allowed, quite the opposite, you'd have more of it.

Game devs are libshits? OMG! How could I have been so blind?!

If you truly want ultra conservatism, do you really think it would impact gaming and being a gamer in a positive way? lol. How many of you are fat fucks who only sit around playing games and eating doritos, it's not as conservative as you might believe it is.

Trump winning will likely make AAA games more left leaning as well, because it fuels these activists with anger, does that mean you didn't want Trump to win, because it will impact your precious games?

I haven't bought a AAA game in ages. AAA as a market has all but ceased to exist and if they want to keep digging their grave by drinking poison because the orange man is back on the throne, let them. My only concern for AAA right now is hoping that the Might and Magic IP goes to a good home once Ubisuck is divided up amongst the Chinese.

Maybe instead don't buy games from these leftist companies, games flopping again and again is a pretty good way to fight activism.

I don't.

[Acrux]

Maybe instead don't buy games from these leftist companies, games flopping again and again is a pretty good way to fight activism.

Thanks for the advice! I'd never thought about that before.

[vurt]

Maybe instead don't buy games from these leftist companies, games flopping again and again is a pretty good way to fight activism.

Thanks for the advice! I'd never thought about that before.

I know right?

"I bought this new game called Dragon Age:Veilguard, it's a game from completely unhinged leftist activists. I was absolutely shocked to discover it has activism in it!!!"

[Roderick]

Who are you quoting?

[cleansingcarnage]

What marriage was 100 years ago isn't super relevant. Marriage is mostly a legal and financial protection thing, at least here (and i bet in many other countries, apart from third world ones). There are numerous things that changes if you are married vs living as a couple. They're stripped of certain rights, of course they'll complain.
I am not sure we can ever make them stop complaining though, it's the same with race/racism, we can end it to 100% but we'll still hear about it like it was the most relevant thing happening because it's such a huge life style and identification thing. Fueled by pop culture and of course leftism, same with homosexuality, they'll do everything for it to stay relevant and in the headlines.

You seem to have kind of a modern, humanistic worldview in which culture is just software and you can program people any way you want, and arguments about any kind of boundary-making or discrimination are purely red-herrings for political purposes.

Marriage (i.e. monogamous heterosexual relationships and family units) either are or are not a functional social structure. Doesn't matter what time period we're talking about. There are lots of social and evolutionary reasons for monogamous, heterosexual relationships as a norm and more lead to better interpersonal function on various levels of organization. The reason it seems like marriage was more relevant and well-defined 100 years ago or earlier when compared to now, is not because marriage itself has become a less valid and functional institution, it's because our ways of life themselves have deviated from the more natural conditions under which marriage is an immediate, material necessity on an individual level. However, just because individuals are more insulated from the immediate consequences of "alternative lifestyles" doesn't mean that those alternatives aren't just as dysfunctional and harmful, it just means that those consequences aren't as easily felt by the individual.

There most certainly ARE vast negative consequences that correlate to the acceptance and prominence of non-heterosexual, non-monogamous lifestyles, on both social and individual levels. It's detrimental economically, demographically, psychologically, and in terms of social coherence and cohesion. The consequences of something so fundamental are literally enough to write multiple books about. In historical and economic terms, one of the biggest consequences and one of the easiest to trace to likely motivations for the promotion of this gradual change in mores and social attitudes, is that an inter-generational family unit is the basis of the long-term generation of independent wealth and power, and as such forms the basis of autonomy for the "little people". In the US, you can trace the worsening economic and social conditions of the average person, in comparison to state, corporate and financial institutions, directly to the trend of the multi-generational family unit toward the nuclear family, and then to completely atomized and alienated individuals.

Then there are a myriad of detrimental effects that come with homosexual lifestyles themselves, which again are almost too many to count. Homosexual monogamy is not a thing. Homosexuals are many times more likely to have been molested or to be sexual offenders, to spread sexually transmitted diseases, and to have partner numbers in the triple digits, which means that it's a lifestyle that perforates sex and attachment and makes it harder for people to form long-lasting and meaningful relationships. It's not hard to imagine how social ills in general can have a proportional relationship to the number of people in a society practicing such a lifestyle, even if the sex they're having is heterosexual in nature. The normalization and glorification of these ways of life is directly negative and leads not only homosexuals, but straight people into unfulfilled lives filled with risks that have no greater payoff than temporary satiation of nagging inadequacies.

And that may seem long-winded in proportion to your comment, but it's only scratching the surface. The ultimate point is that homosexuals are NOT the same as heterosexuals, and this is born out on an evidentiary basis even on a scientific, biological and neurological level.

As far as race goes, no, we can never eliminate racism. That's because, again, different peoples are NOT the same. The different races have developed in different evolutionary environments under different pressures, and have inherent differences in disposition and capability. There is only one way to eliminate any racial difference, and therefore any motivation for inter-racial competition and resentment, and that is for only one race to exist. It's that simple. You're right that we'll never stop people complaining about these things and seeking reparations for grievances, whether real or imagined, but that's for the simple fact that they ARE different groups of people who are pursuing their own interests at the expense of other groups of people, as is natural to do, and as is built into every human (and bipedal hominid, for the rest) according to their nature as biological beings. Ignoring or dismissing this competitive nature won't make it go away, because it's an inherent function of competing groups of animals being in proximity with one another.

[Tweed]

Judging from the avatar and views i guess that's a moot point from my end in this discussion though

What? You don't like kobolds?

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[Irenaeus]

This Swede is really testing my nerves.

[ArcaneLurker]

We can eliminate homophobia by making homosexuality great again.

[Roderick]

He's just making imaginary scenarios

[Vergil]

We can eliminate homophobia by making homosexuality great again.

[Ickthys]

[Ickthys]

This Swede is really testing my nerves.

As their swarthy race is wont.

[Vergil]

This Swede is really testing my nerves.

As their swarthy race is wont.

The user you are quoting is brazilian

[Ickthys]

He's swarthier.

[Ickthys]

Brahzileans are niggers, but swedes are still swarthoids.

[vurt]

Vergin, isn't that avatar of yours Griffith?! The faggot in Berserk? Been ages since i watched it (up until the gayness). Curious choice. But what do i know. Im new!

[Acrux]

Can we please not go through all that again.

[vurt]

Can we please not go through all that again.

I can see how that comes up. Sorry. Again, i'm new.

[Vergil]

Vergin, isn't that avatar of yours Griffith?! The faggot in Berserk? Been ages since i watched it (up until the gayness). Curious choice. But what do i know. Im new!

Don't talk about my beautiful king like that. I have friends in high places... another remark like that and heh, I imagine your time here will be quite... brief...

[Kalarion]

What marriage was 100 years ago isn't super relevant. Marriage is mostly a legal and financial protection thing, at least here (and i bet in many other countries, apart from third world ones). There are numerous things that changes if you are married vs living as a couple. They're stripped of certain rights, of course they'll complain.
I am not sure we can ever make them stop complaining though, it's the same with race/racism, we can end it to 100% but we'll still hear about it like it was the most relevant thing happening because it's such a huge life style and identification thing. Fueled by pop culture and of course leftism, same with homosexuality, they'll do everything for it to stay relevant and in the headlines.

Here's the thing, I would be perfectly content if this forum consisted of just me and maybe 19 or so of my favorite bros, and we did nothing but talk about the same shit, different day for the rest of eternity. In light of that, my first instinct is to screech continuously at you, with FACTS and LOGIC interspersed, until you leave the site.

But, I recognize two things. First, I am in the minority, and specifically the site owner does not at all share my view on this point; and second, you seem to be a well-known modder who's done a lot of great work. I therefore want to take a different tack.

You strike me as a boomercon. That is not an insult (not in this case, I mean - at some other time it might be, obviously), just a quick summation of your stated age, combined with the general "feel" derived from the beliefs on culture and politics you've so far espoused. Boomercon ideas are dying in real-time. Not in the sense that everyone hates Boomers or whatever, which is silly itself (notwithstanding the fact you're technically an Xer, Boomer/Xer hatred is so passe these days). Rather in the sense that the worldview of the Boomer-/X-era Left and Right has been thoroughly tested by both the real world and... let's call it zoomerpols - later-cohort Millennial and Zoomer politically awakened NOOOOOOOOOOOOTICERs - and is failing catastrophically.

Do you really want to dicker politics and philosophy with a forum that leans distinctly late-Millennial-to-Zoomzoom (with a dash of highly irregular older Mills/Xers who were feeling Alt Right before Alt Right became cool)? Then I would like to politely suggest that you go read through the Politics and Religion subforums, and marinate for a bit in the nuclear shitfits we have there on a regular basis. The thing is that what you're arguing is old and has been repeatedly skewered here and elsewhere. A lot of us just don't want to rehash it again. But we're all generally content to gnaw the grist with someone who comes across as being abreast of things.

[Ickthys]

In times past, swedes were sent to dj camp and their women to my bed, but the jeets are shitting everywhere again, and we need pewdiepie's assistance in the war. Vurt can make the ivy trellis' really pop for our council garden.

[vurt]

@kalarion, fair enough. If i had know it would have sparked such immense reaction i think i would've been quiet lol. it's not like i disagree with a lot of the points you're making, most of them are good (and maybe i even need to re-evaluate). I was just a bit.. flabbergasted, as a conservative, to see someone like Vavra being pointed at like he's some Bioware woke commie almost. I'm so happy we can have a medieval game and the protagonist isn't even the typical strong woman and they're totally decided against doing the usual historical revisionism..

[Vergil]

flabbergasted, as a conservative, to see someone like Vavra being pointed at like he's some Bioware woke commie almost

You called him as based as they come which is why I responded with him throwing it out for gays. No one called him the same level as bioware.

[vurt]

flabbergasted, as a conservative, to see someone like Vavra being pointed at like he's some Bioware woke commie almost

You called him as based as they come which is why I responded with him throwing it out for gays. No one called him the same level as bioware.

If he's truly not "as based as they come", then surely you can give me a list of other great and even MORE "based" game devs in the AA-sphere?