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atgblue1st wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:00
WhiteShark wrote: April 17th, 2024, 07:44
atgblue1st wrote: April 17th, 2024, 00:01
If that were true, Israel would be the poorest nation
As regards poverty, why should we expect that the synagogue of satan would be poor?
The Gospel According to Saint Matthew wrote:
4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Satan can and does shower his followers with earthly glory and riches. It's not at all uncommon for the godly to experience misfortune and the ungodly good fortune in this life.


It goes in context with what I had replied to.


1. The other guy was saying bad things happened to the Jews because they are evil. ( Genocide, "kicked out of nations )

2. If that's true, and they are the epitome of evil, then they should have only the worst things happen to them. ( Yet they are successful, etc )

3. Then you say "well good things happen to evil people because they are of satan )

. . . It is quite illogical...


But if instead lf seeing the Jews as a scapegoat to blame evil on, we see them as individuals, then yes. Some.have been satans servants, others have been servants of God. ( Matthew, Paul, Peter, and Jesus were Jews !).

There shall always be a remnant, holy for God. And it is for them that God protects Israel.
It is obvious you haven't even read the Bible. If you had, you would know about the "Synagogue of Satan", the "Jews who call themselves Jews, but are not" and the plan they play in the rise to power and eventual return of Christ.

You have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:25
Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:21
Nobody believed this until 60 or so years ago when American Jews started pumping propaganda and funding into evangelical academic communities
darby bible is nearing what, 150 years old?
Yeah, but it was still a marginal cult until after 1948.
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maidenhaver wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:27
rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:25
Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:21
Nobody believed this until 60 or so years ago when American Jews started pumping propaganda and funding into evangelical academic communities
darby bible is nearing what, 150 years old?
Yeah, but it was still a marginal cult until after 1948.
Sales of the [Scofield] Reference Bible exceeded two million copies by the end of World War II
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Now take away bible sales to churches.
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maidenhaver wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:31
Now take away bible sales to churches.
The 1920s fundamentalist-modernist controversy was essentially over dispensationalism — The Fundamentals was published by a rich oil tycoon(Lyman Stewart) who was also a dispensationalist.
It had already taken root by the early 20th century.
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This is not even taking in consideration the political effect Jews had in say England and France from the beginning of the 19th century.
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I'm not convinced jews had anything to do with dispensationalism other than using it to their benefit. But then, I do have a reason to prefer the irony of protestants enslaving themselves to a foreign nation.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:37
maidenhaver wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:31
Now take away bible sales to churches.
The 1920s fundamentalist-modernist controversy was essentially over dispensationalism — The Fundamentals was published by a rich oil tycoon(Lyman Stewart) who was also a dispensationalist.
It had already taken root by the early 20th century.
The recrudescence of “Chiliasm” or
“premillennialism” in the modern Church causes us serious
concern; it is coupled, we think, with a false method of
interpreting Scripture which in the long run will be
productive of harm.
J Gresham Machen, "Christianity and Liberalism", 1923
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Dispensationalism wasn't mainstream protestantism and wouldn't be until fundies could point at a state called israel. It was still a cult nobody paid attention to. Their first flex came from voting for Goldwater's conservatism. Radio and tv propaganda made it mainstream.

So in the 20s a man is talking about the return of a doomsday cult, that needed israel and a nuclear boogeyman to become mainstream.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:25
Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:21
Nobody believed this until 60 or so years ago when American Jews started pumping propaganda and funding into evangelical academic communities
darby bible is nearing what, 150 years old?
That is about the start of it (though the goals were being implemented long before). It was about that time I believe a lot of the transition began. Makes sense when you see that a ton of crap was going on early on 1900's with numerous changes to the Constitution, bankruptcy of the US, the eventual formation of the Fed, WW1/WW2, etc...

There was a lot of backlash to the Zionism at the time by people who knew in the first 50 years, but a lot of them were murdered, imprisoned and drowned out by the Zionist tactics of manipulating the public during those times.

It is interesting if you look at the media progression of the times. There was a lot of anti-Jew media in the beginning of the 20th century, but it slowly was removed and the whole "Israel" narrative began to form. I think it was the 50's where it went full force (much of Hollywood pushing out tons of propaganda on the holocaust while at the same time Zionism taking over much of the US's Churches).
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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:25
Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:21
Nobody believed this until 60 or so years ago when American Jews started pumping propaganda and funding into evangelical academic communities
darby bible is nearing what, 150 years old?
that is not when the modern theological thought regarding the importance of Israel gained popularity
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:21
atgblue1st wrote: April 17th, 2024, 12:51



The book of Hebrews makes it very clear that there is still a pending rest to be given to Israel as a nation. Joseph's sons each got .5 of a tribe ( lists vary in the Bible based on the context being discussed, I won't pretend to have a perfect eschatology).

Yes, Israel as a nation turned on God, killed Christ, and have oft gone after false gods, BUT God has reserved for Himself a remnant. By sovereignty, God keeps at yhe very least a small amount of Jews as Christians.

God protects the nation as a whole, and at some point post-tribulation, there will be a fresh Israel with only true believers to reign with Christ as King for 1,000 years ( revelation is very specific about this ).
This fulfills the pending promise of rest explained by Hebrews. (to include all the "gentiles" who also believe and are therefore part of Israel, being a Jew inwardly). Paul makes it very clear in Romans that Jew-hood is bestowed based on if that person id a Christian. Again, many Jews DO curse God, and they will go to hell and not enjoy any earthly reign with Christ, but the nation of Israel still stands.


You can try to twist Scripture to fit your narrative, but I don't even have to argue it, John (revelation) and the author of Hebrews already argued it for me.


Gaza was filled by muslims who ran there to set up tents to try to keep the land from Israel. It is just a staging ground for all the muslims to wage war sgainst Israel. They've ( muslims ) been jealous of Israel's land since forever. Stemming from the rivalry that muslims are from the bastard illegitimate child Ishamel, and Jews, from the promised legitimate heir Isaac.
Nobody believed this until 60 or so years ago when American Jews started pumping propaganda and funding into evangelical academic communities
The jews have done (and are still doing) a superb job in destroying christianity, I must give them that.

But I don't worry, Jesus has warned about that 2000 years ago...
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Its mostly christians destroying and fighting themselves. Jews are the devil, they don't do the heavy lifting.
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:53
rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:25
Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:21
Nobody believed this until 60 or so years ago when American Jews started pumping propaganda and funding into evangelical academic communities
darby bible is nearing what, 150 years old?
that is not when the modern theological thought regarding the importance of Israel gained popularity
True. It didn't pick up into mainstream until mid 20th century. There was a transition in acceptance of Jews around that time. You could tell if you knew people who were from different generations back then and see they differed in their trust/perception of the Jews (ie the Lost/Greatest generations did not have a favorable view of Jews). I think it was between the silent/boomer generation where the ideal really took hold. It did begin to be seeded around the late 1800's though, and of course had been heavily pushed in Europe prior to that as well.
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Blaming it all on "da jooz" is just throwing out about 150 years of history of dispensationalism going from a difference in interpreting the bible to completely taking over mainstream protestantism as a vehicle for destroying the host nation to support israel. It wasn't jews preaching it. And it's still not jews today that will excommunicate you for refusing to worship israel.†


† — Last I checked, this is why Turnipseed was excommunicated from his Lutheran church.
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maidenhaver wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:58
Its mostly christians destroying and fighting themselves. Jews are the devil, they don't do the heavy lifting.
I think the problem is identify politics have really created obstacles in people (planned design). For instance, you can talk to someone, point out the facts, history, etc... "concerning" Judaism and its connection to communism/Zionism, their involvement in politics, details about the holocaust information, etc... using historical examples and the factual examples with some people, and they will be open to it because it is a matter of just looking at the data. The whole "Jews are evil" step causes many who have been infected with identity politics to recoil because they have this fear of "judging" peoples race/culture that has been programmed in for decades as "bigoted/evil/hateful". It usually takes a lot of factual information presentation for a person to step over that line and accept the the conclusion to which they have to come to on their own.

You can't start a discussion with those types by saying "Jews are evil, they are the devil, they are...etc...", it always seems to cause people to close down.
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atgblue1st wrote: April 17th, 2024, 12:51
You can try to twist Scripture to fit your narrative, but I don't even have to argue it, John (revelation) and the author of Hebrews already argued it for me.
I hope your Scripture doesn't include the Talmud. I hear it can get quite Jewish. Peak Jew I am told.

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Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed, hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jewish man may marry a female child who has reached the age of three years and one day and may consummate that marriage

Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty, and what a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Yebamoth 98a. Gentiles, "whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses," have children who are legally fatherless.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b. Gentiles can't be trusted with cows because they do immoral things with them, and they sexually prefer the cattle of Israelites to their own wives.

Shabbath 116a. Jews should destroy Christian books [ironically].

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed (Tob shebe goyyim harog).

Yebamoth 63a. Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Baba Mezia 59b. God admits a rabbi won a debate against Him.
Just a peak at some Talmud "Teachings"
atgblue1st wrote: April 17th, 2024, 00:01
Orthodox Jews dont do 5 year olds
Maybe its true that Jews don't want to have sex with 5 year olds.
That might be too old for Jews.

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Rava said that this is what the mishna is saying: An adult man who engaged in intercourse with a minor girl less than three years old has done nothing, as intercourse with a girl less than three years old is tantamount to poking a finger into the eye. In the case of an eye, after a tear falls from it another tear forms to replace it. Similarly, the ruptured hymen of the girl younger than three is restored. And a young boy who engaged in intercourse with an adult woman renders her as one whose hymen was ruptured by wood. And with regard to the case of a woman whose hymen was ruptured by wood itself, there is a dispute between Rabbi Meir and the Rabbis. Rabbi Meir maintains that her marriage contract is two hundred dinars, and the Rabbis maintain that it is one hundred dinars.
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maidenhaver wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:58
Its mostly christians destroying and fighting themselves. Jews are the devil, they don't do the heavy lifting.
the difference is that now that fighting is directly in service to Jewish aims versus the more organic nature of it before. Catholics or protestants might have fought in the past, but ultimately it was for the benefit of one European or another. Jews do however play a much larger role in the current conflict than people like to think. Here's a good little piece on it https://littoria.substack.com/p/america ... vention-of
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:19
maidenhaver wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:58
Its mostly christians destroying and fighting themselves. Jews are the devil, they don't do the heavy lifting.
the difference is that now that fighting is directly in service to Jewish aims versus the more organic nature of it before. Catholics or protestants might have fought in the past, but ultimately it was for the benefit of one European or another. Jews do however play a much larger role in the current conflict than people like to think. Here's a good little piece on it https://littoria.substack.com/p/america ... vention-of
https://littoria.substack.com/p/third-w ... um=reader2

this person is brown
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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:24
Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:19
maidenhaver wrote: April 17th, 2024, 13:58
Its mostly christians destroying and fighting themselves. Jews are the devil, they don't do the heavy lifting.
the difference is that now that fighting is directly in service to Jewish aims versus the more organic nature of it before. Catholics or protestants might have fought in the past, but ultimately it was for the benefit of one European or another. Jews do however play a much larger role in the current conflict than people like to think. Here's a good little piece on it https://littoria.substack.com/p/america ... vention-of
https://littoria.substack.com/p/third-w ... um=reader2

this person is brown
He's white lol
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:31
rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:24
Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:19


the difference is that now that fighting is directly in service to Jewish aims versus the more organic nature of it before. Catholics or protestants might have fought in the past, but ultimately it was for the benefit of one European or another. Jews do however play a much larger role in the current conflict than people like to think. Here's a good little piece on it https://littoria.substack.com/p/america ... vention-of
https://littoria.substack.com/p/third-w ... um=reader2

this person is brown
He's white lol
if you advocate for third worldism for any reason, you are brown
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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:32
if you advocate for third worldism for any reason, you are brown
how strange that I can find multiple articles from him crying about the plight of the palestinians but not one(1)! article about the armenians.

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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:32
if you advocate for third worldism for any reason, you are brown
He has an article on kikes doing exactly what you're doing right now with this notion of "third-worldism" :scratch: ... maybe speak for yourself first
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:36
He has an article on kikes doing exactly what you're doing right now with this notion of "third-worldism" ... maybe speak for yourself first
I just linked it.
He's brown.
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maidenhaver wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:37
Armenians are brown, too.
Unlike arabs, they're at least R1b.
A good tell as to whether someone is a brown third worldist is whether they've spent most of their time crying about palestinians without once mentioning armenians being displaced by muslims.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:35
rusty_shackleford wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:32
if you advocate for third worldism for any reason, you are brown
how strange that I can find multiple articles from him crying about the plight of the palestinians but not one(1)! article about the armenians.

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Instead of taking in what the original article said you go on a witch hunt to find something you can use to smear him. And you've failed so far anyways, as Armenia is hardly relatable to the gaza conflict given that A) there's no war right now. B) there isn't a cabal of Azeris subverting our countries and race, and C) there aren't tens of billions of US tax dollars going to help Azerbaijan exterminate Armenia.

If you really support Israel at its most vulnerable to own the libs and call others who take advantage of the circumstance brown, you should probably kill yourself
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:44
given that A) there's no war right now
Yeah, this just shows how little you know.
Nammu Archag wrote: April 17th, 2024, 14:44
If you really support Israel at its most vulnerable to own the libs and call others who take advantage of the circumstance brown, you should probably kill yourself
"errrmmm you either support muslims or you're a jew!"
you are brown.
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