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orinEsque wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:08
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 02:55
rusty_shackleford wrote: August 14th, 2023, 00:49
BTW, major late act 3 spoiler which references act 1:
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Also, here's a tip:
Can't inspect something?
Just press 't'. Even if it doesn't have the inspect context menu, 't' still works.
Did anyone ever figure this out, btw?
@orinEsque ?
Yrre the Sparkstruck & Lenore De Hurst
These two have a love story starting all the way from underdark.
So what's the reason it is where it is then? Because my character made a special note of it :scratch:
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:09
orinEsque wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:08
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 02:55


Did anyone ever figure this out, btw?
@orinEsque ?
Yrre the Sparkstruck & Lenore De Hurst
These two have a love story starting all the way from underdark.
So what's the reason it is where it is then? Because my character made a special note of it :scratch:
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Bernard
Bernard's head can be found on a table in the Steel Watch Foundry. The head cannot be interacted with but the Narrator will briefly comment on it. A note next to the head will state that a scouting party from Ketheric Thorm's army found it at the Arcane Tower and delivered it for research.
heh, remember to memorize your keybinds kids
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:09
orinEsque wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:08
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 02:55


Did anyone ever figure this out, btw?
@orinEsque ?
Yrre the Sparkstruck & Lenore De Hurst
These two have a love story starting all the way from underdark.
So what's the reason it is where it is then? Because my character made a special note of it :scratch:
developers probably wanted to you read more flavour text...
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orinEsque wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:15
developers probably wanted to you read more flavour text...
Yrre is consistently referred to using gender neutral pronouns (they/them), and they are likely non-binary.
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Ignorance is a blessing
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any developer who thinks "flavor text" or in-game books is a good way to deliver any kind of story should be publicly caned
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:21
any developer who thinks "flavor text" or in-game books is a good way to deliver any kind of story should be publicly caned
Fuck you, Rusty, I liked very much reading books in Skyrim, great way to know more about universe and great alternative to clearing another stupid dungeon with another stupid bandits or draugrs.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:21
any developer who thinks "flavor text" or in-game books is a good way to deliver any kind of story should be publicly caned
Don't you want to read about the Company Captain's Cap?

The Vailian Company, the only mercantile company with the full backing of all five ducs bels of the Vailian Republics, has established itself as a thriving power in the Deadfire Archipelago. While involved in numerous trades, the VTC's primary interest in the region rests in the presence of a rare and valuable form of adra.

This feathered tricorne hat bears the Company's mark on its inner lining. Its dapper styling accentuates the wearer's grace and allure, helping them stay in command during the most onerous of predicaments.

The VTC maintains a sizeable fleet of merchant crafts and well-armed escorts to protect its investments from pirates and raiders. The officers on such ships wear hats such as this to protect them from harsh elements, to differentiate them from members of other groups in the region, and to distinguish them from the common sailors in their employ.

Mercario Menzallini, a pioneer member of the Vailian Trade Company's interest in the Deadfire, cared far less for trade than the mother who pressured him to follow in her mercantile footsteps. As a mate aboard a VTC galley, he set to sea with a bitter mixture of dread and resentment, sure that he would never return home again.

His fear proved well-founded.

By the time Menzallini's ship reached the Deadfire, he found himself captain via promotion through attrition. The captain the ship set sail with took a bullet during a skirmish with an Aedyran galleoun off of the southern tip of the continent, while her replacement had the incredible misfortune to fall overboard during an attack by barbed ravager.

Yet Menzallini proved a remarkably competent captain. Humbled by his own inexperience, he listened to the counsel of his sailors, and he rewarded them in turn with finer rations and heavier sacks of coin than they could expect on other ships.

Though beloved by his crew, Menzallini's voyages proved less profitable than those of more parsimonious captains, and the VTC recalled him to the Republics with the intent of stripping him of his command. He was warned in advance, however, by one of his former navigators whose relatively high wages under Menzallini had allowed her to eventually take a bookkeeper's position in the homeland.

Rather than return his vessel and its crew to the Republics, Menzallini pulled down the VTC colors and offered them to any hands who would rather remain with the company than join him in his sedition. When no one accepted the offer, he folded the color and locked them away. He the threw his hat into the sea, turned the bow towards the horizon, and set forth for waters uncharted.
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Anon wrote: March 24th, 2024, 23:44
AliciaDurge wrote: March 24th, 2024, 22:51
Oldtimer wrote: March 24th, 2024, 07:29
So much focusing in the woke in BG3 here, without adressing a more pressing issue with the game: the writing in general - which admittedly is why we have woke in the game as well, although I see that more as a symtom and not a cause. Simply put, BG3 is a badly written game, and it's mindboggling how much praise the game has gotten with all the rewards and whatnot.

Interestingly enough, the game was not as far as I know touched by SBI or any of tis equivalent companies, but Larian did that themselves. What is even more interesting is that BG3 is apparently an exception to the adage 'go woke, go broke' since it has sold very well. I have listened to a number of people on YT with about the same mindset as people here like Endymion, and even he - woke-alltergic as he is - likes BG3. Why? I can't tell. What I do suspect is that BG3 wields the same magic as the Cameron movie Avatar did, blinding people with effects when it's just a polished turd - or in Avatar's case, Pocahontas in space.

That in turn makes me think that people need to stop and reflect more on what they like/dislike, and why. Picking a game like BG3 apart will show the very shaky narrative structure, but it seems the fans are unable to do that. So I'd say people are willfully blind and stupid.
I love the game because in my taste, it's well written. Not because it has a woke narrative.
What did you like most in bg3 writing?
What was there to like?
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AliciaDurge wrote: March 24th, 2024, 22:51
Oldtimer wrote: March 24th, 2024, 07:29
So much focusing in the woke in BG3 here, without adressing a more pressing issue with the game: the writing in general - which admittedly is why we have woke in the game as well, although I see that more as a symtom and not a cause. Simply put, BG3 is a badly written game, and it's mindboggling how much praise the game has gotten with all the rewards and whatnot.

Interestingly enough, the game was not as far as I know touched by SBI or any of tis equivalent companies, but Larian did that themselves. What is even more interesting is that BG3 is apparently an exception to the adage 'go woke, go broke' since it has sold very well. I have listened to a number of people on YT with about the same mindset as people here like Endymion, and even he - woke-alltergic as he is - likes BG3. Why? I can't tell. What I do suspect is that BG3 wields the same magic as the Cameron movie Avatar did, blinding people with effects when it's just a polished turd - or in Avatar's case, Pocahontas in space.

That in turn makes me think that people need to stop and reflect more on what they like/dislike, and why. Picking a game like BG3 apart will show the very shaky narrative structure, but it seems the fans are unable to do that. So I'd say people are willfully blind and stupid.
I love the game because in my taste, it's well written. Not because it has a woke narrative.
Interesting. Mind telling me how and/or why you think it's a well-written game?
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Anon wrote: March 25th, 2024, 03:20
Ignorance is a blessing
No alphabets detroons the story. Also story was kind of cute. But you didn't miss anything essential
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 02:54
bg3 is longer than bg1 or bg2 individually, maybe bg2+tob approaching it
my bg3 playthrough was about 150 hours, doing everything
That's mostly because of Larian's turn based combat though I'd say.
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pokafox wrote: March 25th, 2024, 14:15
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 02:54
bg3 is longer than bg1 or bg2 individually, maybe bg2+tob approaching it
my bg3 playthrough was about 150 hours, doing everything
That's mostly because of Larian's turn based combat though I'd say.
rtwp isn't any faster unless you're just killing trash enemies(owlcat is guilty of this), which BG3 happens to have very, very few of. Each encounter tends to exist for a reason, it's one of the better aspects of the game.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 14:17
rtwp isn't any faster
That's not my experience at all and I (re)played through BG3 and DOS1/2 and replayed a bit of BG1 recently.

I mean, if you're only counting BG1/2's main questlines sure maybe. I can't remember how much I clocked on my first playthroughs back in the days but if you actually spend the time exploring those games are massive and I'd say at least equivalent to a full do-everything playthrough of BG3.

I also disagree on no random encounters making BG3 better. While I do not diss their absence in Larian's games as it totally makes sense game design wise, I think every encounter being scripted in make you feel a lot more "on rail".
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pokafox wrote: March 25th, 2024, 14:28
I also disagree on no random encounters making BG3 better. While I do not diss their absence in Larian's games as it totally makes sense game design wise, I think every encounter being scripted in make you feel a lot more "on rail".
That's pretty true. I think DA:O had a decent go-between, premade zones, with random events throughout. Given it's almost got the same sort of design.

The issue is in modern gaming you seem to have two choices, hard linear maps, or vast nothing filled with AI Generated slop. Even Roguelikes lack passion anymore.
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TKVNC wrote: March 25th, 2024, 15:19
pokafox wrote: March 25th, 2024, 14:28
I also disagree on no random encounters making BG3 better. While I do not diss their absence in Larian's games as it totally makes sense game design wise, I think every encounter being scripted in make you feel a lot more "on rail".
That's pretty true. I think DA:O had a decent go-between, premade zones, with random events throughout. Given it's almost got the same sort of design.

The issue is in modern gaming you seem to have two choices, hard linear maps, or vast nothing filled with AI Generated slop. Even Roguelikes lack passion anymore.
Agreed. Same in Pathfinder.
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DAO is full of repetitive trash fights, it's one of the major, common complaints about it
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 16:02
DAO is full of repetitive trash fights, it's one of the major, common complaints about it
That might be somewhat true, but I guess I was thinking more in-regards to how you approach the map. I actually quite like the random events.

All but the Wolf Event. That one is crazy hard at low level, and since it springs it on you so early, not easy on high difficulties.
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So...

you want to know what kind of mods for BG3 are being made on Nexus right now?

Do you really?

Well, since you asked:

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/8244

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/8245

:kill it with fire: :disgust:
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Ligrev wrote: March 25th, 2024, 16:15
So...

you want to know what kind of mods for BG3 are being made on Nexus right now?

Do you really?

Well, since you asked:

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/8244

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/8245

:kill it with fire: :disgust:
Psh that's nothing
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Oldtimer wrote: March 25th, 2024, 09:50
AliciaDurge wrote: March 24th, 2024, 22:51
Oldtimer wrote: March 24th, 2024, 07:29
So much focusing in the woke in BG3 here, without adressing a more pressing issue with the game: the writing in general - which admittedly is why we have woke in the game as well, although I see that more as a symtom and not a cause. Simply put, BG3 is a badly written game, and it's mindboggling how much praise the game has gotten with all the rewards and whatnot.

Interestingly enough, the game was not as far as I know touched by SBI or any of tis equivalent companies, but Larian did that themselves. What is even more interesting is that BG3 is apparently an exception to the adage 'go woke, go broke' since it has sold very well. I have listened to a number of people on YT with about the same mindset as people here like Endymion, and even he - woke-alltergic as he is - likes BG3. Why? I can't tell. What I do suspect is that BG3 wields the same magic as the Cameron movie Avatar did, blinding people with effects when it's just a polished turd - or in Avatar's case, Pocahontas in space.

That in turn makes me think that people need to stop and reflect more on what they like/dislike, and why. Picking a game like BG3 apart will show the very shaky narrative structure, but it seems the fans are unable to do that. So I'd say people are willfully blind and stupid.
I love the game because in my taste, it's well written. Not because it has a woke narrative.
Interesting. Mind telling me how and/or why you think it's a well-written game?
The characters feel relatable to me. And I like the story overall, expecially Durge's redemption arc. It was a great experience for me, it was rewarding to see.
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Anon wrote: March 24th, 2024, 23:44
AliciaDurge wrote: March 24th, 2024, 22:51
Oldtimer wrote: March 24th, 2024, 07:29
So much focusing in the woke in BG3 here, without adressing a more pressing issue with the game: the writing in general - which admittedly is why we have woke in the game as well, although I see that more as a symtom and not a cause. Simply put, BG3 is a badly written game, and it's mindboggling how much praise the game has gotten with all the rewards and whatnot.

Interestingly enough, the game was not as far as I know touched by SBI or any of tis equivalent companies, but Larian did that themselves. What is even more interesting is that BG3 is apparently an exception to the adage 'go woke, go broke' since it has sold very well. I have listened to a number of people on YT with about the same mindset as people here like Endymion, and even he - woke-alltergic as he is - likes BG3. Why? I can't tell. What I do suspect is that BG3 wields the same magic as the Cameron movie Avatar did, blinding people with effects when it's just a polished turd - or in Avatar's case, Pocahontas in space.

That in turn makes me think that people need to stop and reflect more on what they like/dislike, and why. Picking a game like BG3 apart will show the very shaky narrative structure, but it seems the fans are unable to do that. So I'd say people are willfully blind and stupid.
I love the game because in my taste, it's well written. Not because it has a woke narrative.
What did you like most in bg3 writing?
Character's backstories and their companion quests.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: March 25th, 2024, 16:18
Ligrev wrote: March 25th, 2024, 16:15
So...

you want to know what kind of mods for BG3 are being made on Nexus right now?

Do you really?

Well, since you asked:

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/8244

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/8245

:kill it with fire: :disgust:
Psh that's nothing
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I wonder what Karlach and Wyll are gonna call the baby
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AliciaDurge wrote: March 25th, 2024, 21:33
Anon wrote: March 24th, 2024, 23:44
AliciaDurge wrote: March 24th, 2024, 22:51


I love the game because in my taste, it's well written. Not because it has a woke narrative.
What did you like most in bg3 writing?
Character's backstories and their companion quests.
Some are good like Astarion's, Shadowheart's and Durge's but Wyll's and Karlach's feel badly written and unfinished. Gale's is kinda meh.
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Anon wrote: March 25th, 2024, 02:56
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 25th, 2024, 02:54
bg3 is longer than bg1 or bg2 individually, maybe bg2+tob approaching it
my bg3 playthrough was about 150 hours, doing everything
Pretty sure bg2 takes longer than that especially if you go in blind. I think you're comparing a bg2 where you beeline main quest vs bg3 where you try to do everything
I can beat BG II main in less than 40h. With ToB? 60. The thing is: I know what to do to not waste time.

But, for example, if you play evil, and you start slaughtering the whole of the Sword Coast after you come from the Underdark... that could make your playthrough last something like 150h *even if you do know what you're doing*. :smile:
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AliciaDurge wrote: March 25th, 2024, 21:32

The characters feel relatable to me. And I like the story overall, expecially Durge's redemption arc. It was a great experience for me, it was rewarding to see.

Character's backstories and their companion quests.
Hm. I'm not saying you are wrong, since taste is subjective; I don't agree with either of your points though.
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Anon wrote: March 25th, 2024, 22:38
AliciaDurge wrote: March 25th, 2024, 21:33
Anon wrote: March 24th, 2024, 23:44


What did you like most in bg3 writing?
Character's backstories and their companion quests.
Some are good like Astarion's, Shadowheart's and Durge's but Wyll's and Karlach's feel badly written and unfinished. Gale's is kinda meh.
Never met Durge (I think) so I can't tell. But a worse problem with the companions is that they share the same fucking story: two are zealots, two have masters outside of your control and two have shit in their chests. And what is janking my chain is that the two tanks are both female, and that you later in the game get not one but two druids - one who should have been left the fuck alone after her appearance in BG1 and 2. Karlach is written as someone said earlier as the writer's pet, so there's that too.
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Oldtimer wrote: March 26th, 2024, 04:27
Anon wrote: March 25th, 2024, 22:38
AliciaDurge wrote: March 25th, 2024, 21:33


Character's backstories and their companion quests.
Some are good like Astarion's, Shadowheart's and Durge's but Wyll's and Karlach's feel badly written and unfinished. Gale's is kinda meh.
Never met Durge (I think) so I can't tell. But a worse problem with the companions is that they share the same fucking story: two are zealots, two have masters outside of your control and two have shit in their chests. And what is janking my chain is that the two tanks are both female, and that you later in the game get not one but two druids - one who should have been left the fuck alone after her appearance in BG1 and 2. Karlach is written as someone said earlier as the writer's pet, so there's that too.
You don't meet durge in the story. Won't tell more to not spoiler you. But technically he's still an origin character
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Anon wrote: March 26th, 2024, 11:57
Oldtimer wrote: March 26th, 2024, 04:27
Anon wrote: March 25th, 2024, 22:38


Some are good like Astarion's, Shadowheart's and Durge's but Wyll's and Karlach's feel badly written and unfinished. Gale's is kinda meh.
Never met Durge (I think) so I can't tell. But a worse problem with the companions is that they share the same fucking story: two are zealots, two have masters outside of your control and two have shit in their chests. And what is janking my chain is that the two tanks are both female, and that you later in the game get not one but two druids - one who should have been left the fuck alone after her appearance in BG1 and 2. Karlach is written as someone said earlier as the writer's pet, so there's that too.
You don't meet durge in the story. Won't tell more to not spoiler you. But technically he's still an origin character
You do
He's not very talkative tho...
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Anon wrote: March 26th, 2024, 11:57
You don't meet durge in the story.
I believe you find the default albino draconian Durge dead somewhere if you don't play that origin.
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