Sharpness may not be that great but what about using the Battlesmith's "Reinforced Armor" in combination with "Magic Shield" and "Vitality" to gain +7 armor for the party?Kalarion wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 00:23I don't. TLDR; the buffs are deceptively bad, and his individual damage is paltry compared to true Fighters.
The partywide +.1 to physical damage multiplier (not an actual multiplicative x10% as the spell description would have you believe) is paltry on Hard+, and bringing along another Warrior to wail on a mob for hundreds of damage in the Battlesmith's place (remember, Battlesmiths suffer a massive opportunity cost in terms of individual damage, due to receiving a far smaller damage per level scale) simply makes more sense. The armor buff is a decent complement to the Wizard's armor buff early game, but after that it's negligible. In exchange they get access to some fire DDs that they will in practice never make use of, due to all their mana going to buff casts. If you focus on a Battlesmith's Knowledge/Willpower to scale his spellcasting, he'll be even worse as a fighter and need to be in the rear/flanks - in which case, you might as well just have brought another Wizard.
My takeaway from the hybrids, and especially the racial unique classes, is: very very cool idea and the execution goes in the right direction, but falls far short of the mark in terms of usefulness/power/balance. Racial classes pay heavily for their perks, and the perks themselves just aren't worth what's lost.
My sole possible exception is the Sage. Sage gets access to all Wizard nukes, and a second nuker is very nice in many situations. Along with this they get Mass Power Heal and some buffs. But it's a tough road to get there, and I don't believe they get Power Heal, so you're banking on a very late game before they really come into their own.
My first win had a Battlesmith, and he just never pulled his weight. He was a subpar fighter who struggled to get the mana necessary to cast his buffs.
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Testing on my level 50 mountain dwarf warrior:SpellSword wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 01:23Sharpness may not be that great but what about using the Battlesmith's "Reinforced Armor" in combination with "Magic Shield" and "Vitality" to gain +7 armor for the party?
- Armor 18: -31 to -63 (average -47)
- Armor 15: -26 to -52 (average -39)
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The movement between tiles without any transition makes me feel a bit queasy tbh.
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That didn't really bother me, but I did find it confusing in cases where I would turn and nothing in the viewport would change, making me unsure whether I had turned at all.rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 19:26The movement between tiles without any transition makes me feel a bit queasy tbh.
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Having hotkeys for abilities would be nice.
Also, taking a ranger with me felt like a mistake rather than another fighter or mage. Oh well. Would have been cool if it affected mapping or something.
Also, taking a ranger with me felt like a mistake rather than another fighter or mage. Oh well. Would have been cool if it affected mapping or something.
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I haven't been hating the ranger tbh, I like the aspect of having somebody who's tanky enough to tank abuse in the flanks, while at the same time being useful in plenty situations (if against somebody resistant against physical damage, they'll deal considerable magic damage; if against somebody resistant against magic, they'll deal good physical damage).
For reference though, I'm in the desert. Guess it can be considered midgame?
For reference though, I'm in the desert. Guess it can be considered midgame?
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also, need a way to take notes ingame
distance to check for rest doesn't include line of sight, mistake imo
distance to check for rest doesn't include line of sight, mistake imo
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Map markers would've been even betterrusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 23:08also, need a way to take notes ingame
distance to check for rest doesn't include line of sight, mistake imo
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combat feels too 'simple' — no consumables, can't block, etc.,
I'm hoping the sequel does better in this part. I don't want to sound overly negative, it's a good game for a first entry.
I'm hoping the sequel does better in this part. I don't want to sound overly negative, it's a good game for a first entry.
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Map markers serve something else, and are also useful, yes. I like to leave a lot of notes when I play rpgs, having it with the game itself rather than an external text file helps.Anon wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 23:12Map markers would've been even betterrusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 23:08also, need a way to take notes ingame
distance to check for rest doesn't include line of sight, mistake imo
There are a couple of extra things you can do in combat, as a class ability usable once per rest, and a slightly different resistance system, but it's otherwise identical.rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 23:15combat feels too 'simple' — no consumables, can't block, etc.,
I'm hoping the sequel does better in this part. I don't want to sound overly negative, it's a good game for a first entry.
Okay so I've figured out I've been missing the griffin this whole time because I was refusing to pay 100 gold for the starting boat because I thought it was meant only to bypass the bridge without fighting the troll. Oops
Exactly, I hope to see him continue on with each new game, building on the previous one. Would be interesting to see him reach the feature level of M&M and then continue to expand into new concepts, maybe even branching some of the Wizardry features into it as well.rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 23:15combat feels too 'simple' — no consumables, can't block, etc.,
I'm hoping the sequel does better in this part. I don't want to sound overly negative, it's a good game for a first entry.
@rusty_shackleford Can I please have the Legends of Amberland badge or do I have to finish the game again?
This was from my first playthrough late last year:
This was from my first playthrough late last year:
This is puzzling me. Where did you find 8 more monsters to fight than I did?
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No idea. There are too many optional dungeons and monsters roaming the map for me to even guess. I was pretty thorough.Rand wrote: ↑ April 5th, 2024, 00:43This is puzzling me. Where did you find 8 more monsters to fight than I did?
It was basically a rhetorical question, but yeah, that's weird. I thought I got everything, but I seem to have missed some high XP targets.WhiteShark wrote: ↑ April 5th, 2024, 01:05No idea. There are too many optional dungeons and monsters roaming the map for me to even guess. I was pretty thorough.Rand wrote: ↑ April 5th, 2024, 00:43This is puzzling me. Where did you find 8 more monsters to fight than I did?
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Did you break the two mirrors behind the sealed doors in the ogre forts after getting the door unsealer? Those were worth 100k xp each.
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Hmm, abilities have a hotkey, like all buttons (the game can be fully played by keyboard alone, or gamepad, if one desires). Or you meant a way to use abilities outside of combat?
Map Notes were implemented in the sequel, I plan to backport those to the first LoA later.rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 23:08also, need a way to take notes ingame
distance to check for rest doesn't include line of sight, mistake imo
As above (planned to be backported to LoA later).Anon wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 23:12Map markers would've been even betterrusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 4th, 2024, 23:08also, need a way to take notes ingame
distance to check for rest doesn't include line of sight, mistake imo
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I mainly meant it for spells in combat. I've messed up more than a few times by hitting the repeat-last-action key, and in any tougher fight I find myself having to open the spellbook to pick spells. Being able to bind spells to hotkeys would be useful.Chris Kozmik wrote: ↑ April 5th, 2024, 06:28Hmm, abilities have a hotkey, like all buttons (the game can be fully played by keyboard alone, or gamepad, if one desires). Or you meant a way to use abilities outside of combat?
Or does this already exist and I missed it?
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I don't think there is. 'c' will repeat the last spell cast but you still have to open the spellbook to pick a new one. Being able to put them on number keys would have been nice.rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 5th, 2024, 06:30I mainly meant it for spells in combat. I've messed up more than a few times by hitting the repeat-last-action key, and in any tougher fight I find myself having to open the spellbook to pick spells. Being able to bind spells to hotkeys would be useful.
Or does this already exist and I missed it?
That would have been nice, too. I don't know if it was a balance consideration, but I didn't see much reason to make stuff like the Bard and Healer abilities combat-only.
If we are sharing Victory screens, here is from when I completed the game in 2019 version 1.
I know there were a ton of class and balance changes made in subsequent updates since I played. It's still a fun open-world exploration adventure.
I know there were a ton of class and balance changes made in subsequent updates since I played. It's still a fun open-world exploration adventure.
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There was more I liked about this one than things that I didn't and I'm looking forward to playing the sequel Legends of Amberland II: The Song of Trees.
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There was more I liked about this one than things that I didn't and I'm looking forward to playing the sequel Legends of Amberland II: The Song of Trees.
Some could be lurking in the Frost Labyrinth. That place is huge and I get the feeling that if any monster went down a corridor you'd already checked it would easily never be found.Rand wrote: ↑ April 5th, 2024, 00:43This is puzzling me. Where did you find 8 more monsters to fight than I did?
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I didn't bother with the Eye of Morgol on the island or the Dreadful Dungeon of Doom because fuck that. I did everything else, including the Black Dragon.
OK, so at least on Hard, Wizards and Sages (especially Sages) still absolutely crush 99% of the game. The only time they struggle are on the highest level Warlocks, the dragons, Eyes of Morgol and the Dark Knight. And even on those (including the Black Dragon), they can generally do OK, they just don't do 2,000 damage in a single hit like normal
My dorfs did great damage towards end game, when Flails of Slaying and Swords of Heroes came online. Once I got the final Master Craftsman and access to Grand Flails of Slaying they were rockets, going over 1K per hit on crits. But they could only beat my Wizards in damage when the monster had resistances. Otherwise my Wizard and Sage were slinging 1.5-2K single target hits and 600-1200 AoE like it was nothing. It was great.
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CHEATER! NO BADGE FOR YOU!Kalarion wrote: ↑ April 7th, 2024, 21:06I didn't bother with the Eye of Morgol on the island or the Dreadful Dungeon of Doom because fuck that.
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@WhiteShark has the highest score so far btw, he managed to barely edge out @Dorateen.
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Spoiling to not ruin the data, so please do NOT click this if you haven't begun playing yet and aren't at least a couple hours in,
The sample size is small, but it's interesting that nearly all of us picked 'Hard'. I tend to pick one minus the hardest option available when given the choice of multiple difficulties because the hardest is usually overtuned for people who already played, and normal too easy.
The sample size is small, but it's interesting that nearly all of us picked 'Hard'. I tend to pick one minus the hardest option available when given the choice of multiple difficulties because the hardest is usually overtuned for people who already played, and normal too easy.
I chose "normal" because I believed this tooltip:
And by the time I realized it was too easy, I was unwilling to start over.
I would now recommend hard as the best level to play, but am still unhappy with the doubled prices at that level.
And by the time I realized it was too easy, I was unwilling to start over.
I would now recommend hard as the best level to play, but am still unhappy with the doubled prices at that level.
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At the end enemies become huge hp sponges and it gets quite annoying though. Normal is better if you just want to be done with the game (which I did towards the end).