Emphyrio wrote: ↑
March 21st, 2024, 16:40
Adeptus wrote: ↑
March 21st, 2024, 16:35
And once again - I have a question - if you go to Heaven and Your parents, children, whoever You love, went to Hell, would You be happy?
you might be surprised to learn this but christians actually really don't like it when their families turn away from christ
I know, but this is not answer to my question.
If you go to Heaven and Your parents, children, whoever You love, went to Hell, would You be happy?
@ TKVNC
It's interesting, since your first sentence is not even remotely true.
So You did not read Revelations.
As for your question, it's almost a trick question - since being in Heaven you are in the presence of God the Father, and all pain, suffering, and sorrow is gone, so assumedly, I would be happy.
So in Heaven You will be insensitive to suffering of other people, even Your lofed ones. What an egoistical religion!
As for Jesus' referring to himself as a Jew, he did not write the Gospels personally, so word of mouth is the primary driver of the writings - it is not to deny that he said this, but besides a Samaritan woman, who would have recognised Jesus as ethnically Jewish, if not spiritually, perhaps, giving her testamony to the Disciples after the fact. Yet in other instances where the Disciples themselves comment on his disdain to the spiritually Jewish, they are present, and write literally of what he said.
So You suggest that Bible is not trustworthy when telling what Jesus actually said?
As he refers to the Jews distinctly on spiritual grounds in several other examples, I would be inclined to assume he, though perhaps Jewish at some stage, was no longer once he had become Christ the teacher.
1. During talk with Samaritan woman he was definitely christ "the teacher:.
2. So when Gospel says that jesus referred to jews disnticnly it was strong argument that Jesus was not Jew, but when Gospel says that Jesus referred to himself as a Jew, it is not argument for jesus being Jew, because "he did not write the Gospels personally". Aha.
@ Acrux
You should at least consider their arguments, as they've said them. And when you keep misunderstanding things people haven't said or twist what they've said to mean something else, well it shows you are not having a good faith discussion
Can You point how I am misunderastanding things people said? Some example? BTW, there were many times, when people were commenting things I have not wrote - like that I want God to destroy evil, but I am angry when he does it. But it is OK.
BTW, many times
Repeating "aktually, GOD IS EVIL" isn't a good argument.
Repeating "if you think god is evil, you are stupid, don't understood anything and have not read Bible" is not argument. BTW I am using many arguments, which are ignored or answered by it "Nope, this is totally not true, because it is not, and I will not elaborate further".
You talked about indoctrination, but it might surprise you that most of us on this board (at least the people who I've known for a while) have come to where we are through reason and considered opinion. Some of us have even considerably changed where we stand on things.
But it is not me who first started with "I am not discussing with you, because you are indoctrinated". And I never suggested that everyone here is indoctrinated and mindlessly believe. BTW for me it looks that Your side is rejecting concept that I could come to where I am through reason and considered opinion. And yes, I considerably changed where I stood on things. For many years I was Christian (or I thought I am). I wasted many, many hours on arguments like this, but being on Your side. I even was making many arguments You people do and/or behaving in similar way. I am now ashamed of it. It even not that I changed my system of values, rather than I realized that Christianity, which I considered fundament of these values, is actually their opposite.
But I guarantee it's never been because of someone like you who makes puerile, lowest common denominator statements that don't match reality. You are fit only for mockery.
And once again convenient magic spell which relieves you of the obligation to justify your allegations. "You are stupid" "Why?" "I will not waste time for explaining it to the stupid". Genius.
If You start with assumption that any argument for being evil must be stupid (because god is good, period), than it looks like this.
Which of my statements are "not matching reality"?
That God considers every human being deserving hell and considers his "salvation" from his own punishment as some amazing grace we should be grateful for?
That God could allow damned souls to cease their existence?
That God plans to commit mass murder during end of times, like Revelations says?
That according to Bible, Jesus called himself a Jew?
That in Revelations it is God who destroys human civilization and sentences people to hell, not demons?
That Jesus told that to be saved You have to give away your wealth?
That devout Christian support censorship?