WhiteShark wrote: ↑
March 11th, 2024, 09:18
Anon wrote: ↑
March 11th, 2024, 03:03
About that ruling elite, every society has one already. When you think it doesn't, it's most likely jews running it.
Of course, but historically we had ruling elites of people who were natives (or went native) and who were both morally obligated and financially inclined to make the people prosper. That's what the aristocracy was, and it was a great victory for the jews when they managed to have them removed all across the western world.
Overthrowing the royal families around Europe was obviously a work of the burgeoisie jews, there's no doubt about it.
But on the other hand, while I definitely try to rationalize and understand your kind of argument, I really can't agree with the idea that I'm inherently inferior to another person because he was born in a privileged family while I was not. Do you really agree with you having no political rights and no access to some aristocratic privileges because you weren't born among the privileged?
In that case, when talking about autocratic governments, I think China does it best. There is a ruling elite yes, they are authoritarian yes, but
anybody can join their ranks and ascend in the party mostly by merit, where even the poorest camponese has a chance of becoming a great politician if he's good enough. Bureaucratic elitism sounds like the best kind of authoritarian government for me, not a kingdom. Though I get you may not like it because it's absolutely secular, and you want a sacred royal family rule.
Another issue in that merit is that I can't trust in a truly sacred royal family being formed because religious institute are so corrupt nowadays, and I say that deeply saddened. The nearest to your ideal nowadays are leaders like Putin, but he's neither sacred nor can we say the russian orthodox church is completely immaculate.
Kalarion wrote: ↑
March 11th, 2024, 15:49
I've been thinking on this, and I believe I failed to actually address why your idea of, "the normies will wake up and push change", is (and I mean this in the most anodyne way possible) a cope. Keep what I wrote earlier in mind as context.
The deal is, that what causes, pushes for, and enforces change on a social or civilizational level (such as would now be needed for Current Year) are elites, not normal people (henceforth, again in a non-derogatory fashion, sheep, or normies). Normie demands only matter if some set of the ruling elite, or some dispossessed group with elitist qualities, pick those demands up. Now it is correct to then conclude that normal people are integral to societal change, in the sense that our complaints and/or demands will signal a power leak (read Moldbug for a full definition, but briefly: political/physical etc capital that's available for capture/subversion) for counter-elites to make use of. But if the ruling elite are as monolithic as, say, Current Year, that leaking power isn't going to be picked up and will be ultimately be wasted. Consider something like the Yellow Jacket riots in France, the truckers in Canada, the rioters on Jan 6th and so forth. They all represent potential power that discharges wildly. They may cause damage and create a ruckus. But ultimately, if no elites are available and either (a) smart enough or (b) interested enough to make use of the leak, nothing comes of it but a lot of very sad, very angry, and very jailed and persecuted sheep.
Gamergate and so on are in fact perfect examples counter to your hopes vv normies: movements that had a great deal of dynamism and volubility to start, subsequently subverted and absorbed by existing elite structures, normalized and contained (consider the Kotaku in Action sub, patriots.win and so forth). There's something there, power for change is being generated, but the normies can't effect change on our own. Again: we need a King. I don't mean someone sitting on a throne with a crown on his head (though I don't have a problem with that per se). I mean the archetype of a sovereign leader, who captures and utilizes the power of the sheep for our good, to promote virtue and order.
I think you present very valid points here, at minimum they are good food for thought, I certainly have to reflect in this matter more. I think that we see nowadays is still a process that is consolidating, where we can analyze things as they are presented now, but they can always change so abruptly the next day.
Btw I also think there are ruling elites opposing the wokeism, like Elon Musk, the republican conservatives, Putin etc, so it can't really be said the ruling elites are (all) against the "sheep" in that matter. There's an ongoing cultural war right now whose winner still isn't clearly defined.