Nintendo is suing the creators of popular Switch emulator Yuzu

[rusty_shackleford]

Why did Ryujinx get off scott free? Is it because it's open source and so there's no money to bilk?

Bleem was paid-for software. I fail to see how this differs from the Bleem case at all, this shouldn't even be clogging up the courts.

[SpellSword]

Why did Ryujinx get off scott free? Is it because it's open source and so there's no money to bilk?

Bleem was paid-for software. I fail to see how this differs from the Bleem case at all, this shouldn't even be clogging up the courts.

Good point, I'd forgotten about the Bleem! lawsuits.

Maybe that is part of Nintendo's plan. Even if they don't think the court will side with them the legal costs may be enough to cripple the Yuzu developer. On the other hand perhaps they are banking on the laws having changed since the Bleem! era as Goblin_Hammer pointed out in another thread there was a court case in 1999 that changed the landscape a bit.

I just watched this video yesterday about the game The Crew, and for the US, the EULA is legally binding, we Americans really have no ownership of any games we purchase unless the EULA give us the exclusive right. We're pretty much fucked in a lot of ways.




We had rights for software and games we purchased until the court case ProCD, Inc. v. Zeidenberg in 1999, and after that EULA are considered enforceable contracts that we the end users are bound too.

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Easterbrook, writing for the court, held that a contract could confer among the parties similar rights to copyright as those rights are not "equivalent to any of the exclusive rights within the general scope of copyright".

The court then held the license valid and enforceable as a contract. The court held that Zeidenberg did accept the offer by clicking through. Easterbrook noted, "He had no choice, because the software splashed the license on the screen and would not let him proceed without indicating acceptance." The court stated that Zeidenberg could have rejected the terms of the contract and returned the software. The court, in addition, noted the ability and "the opportunity to return goods can be important" under the Uniform Commercial Code.

[maidenhaver]

Maybe they're just bored.

[Roguey]

Nintendo gets away with selling its hardware and software at a premium. Porting to PC could result in them ending up in the same boat as Sony and Microsoft are now. This is one of the worst selling console generations for those two, but not Nintendo.

This lawsuit is particularly bad because they're upset that they're not even more successful than they already are.

[Segata]

>Keep releasing underpowered hardware that is always 2-3 generations behind
>"wow why do they emulate our current system?"

This lawsuit is particularly bad because they're upset that they're not even more successful than they already are.

Nintendo, since the NES days, always act like assholes when they're winning and then go back to portraying a humble image when they're losing. Shameless company.

[Segata]

Yuzu is fighting back

[Oyster Sauce]

Yuzu is fighting back

Yuzu is fucking dead

[Acrux]

Apparently the Yuzu devs were making (or asking for, I'm not sure how it works) $30k a month on Patreon. That might have had something to do with this being over so quickly.

I'd be interested in seeing more details about this suit, as from what I've heard about Nintendo's position, it sounds like the argument they made would declare ALL emulation illegal.

[rusty_shackleford]

looks like yuzu agreed to this from a quick search?

that is, this isn't legal precedent, yuzu just gave up without a fight

[Oyster Sauce]

looks like yuzu agreed to this from a quick search?

that is, this isn't legal precedent, yuzu just gave up without a fight

I heard it was revealed that the devs were sharing prod keys on Discord.

[Acrux]

looks like yuzu agreed to this from a quick search?

that is, this isn't legal precedent, yuzu just gave up without a fight

Hmm...interesting. Rusty, as a lawyer would you say that this sends a message by Nintendo to other emulator devs?

[Segata]

[maidenhaver]

"More trannies use our emulator than any other country!"

[WaterMage]

Even if they win. How they can end a freaking open source project?

[rusty_shackleford]

Even if they win. How they can end a freaking open source project?

isn't yuzu the closed source one?
can't remember

[Nammu Archag]

What a bunch of fags. Pirates vindicated once again

[Nammu Archag]

Even if they win. How they can end a freaking open source project?

isn't yuzu the closed source one?
can't remember

it is supposedly open-source

Ideally, some slavs, chinamen, or brazilians can just copy the code and make their own with little effort. Then Nintendo couldn't do shit

[rusty_shackleford]

[KnightoftheWind]

I am incredibly put off by the large droves of people that are celebrating this lawsuit and mocking those who emulate. It just goes to show that the online masses are drooling morons that deserve neither mercy nor pity. I may very well decide to ignore Nintendo games for good, if this sets a precedent of emulators being taken down. For now Ryujinx survives, and there may be other alternatives popping up in the future, but will Nintendo take steps to mitigate the emulation of their next console?. Will they include some type of DRM measure that ensures emulation is made as difficult as possible?. Perhaps.

[gerey]

I am less concerned about Yuzu and the greedy cunts that developed it, and more by the repercussions this will have.

I'm no expert on the US legal system, but from what I remember Nintendo tried to pull this kind of shit years ago and lost, so I have no clue if the Yuzu devs settling out of court will create a precedent, because if it does, these dumbfucks would be responsible for ending emulation.

[rusty_shackleford]

and more by the repercussions this will have.

(probably) nothing
yuzu devs folded

[KnightoftheWind]

Because the matter was settled out of court, it wouldn't really set a precedent. Yuzu getting money wasn't the problem, I believe it was indeed a community-led project and emulation itself is perfectly legal. The issue came with how Yuzu decrypts Switch roms, and I believe it was found out that they used copyrighted Nintendo code to decrypt the games, whereas Ryujinx uses it's own, non-proprietary method. There's a reason Nintendo hasn't gone after any other emulation project, because they are clean and therefore cannot be sued.

[rusty_shackleford]

I suspect some tendies infiltrated their trannycord for the purpose of leaking damaging information to nintendo.

[Oyster Sauce]

and more by the repercussions this will have.

(probably) nothing
yuzu devs folded

Citra (3DS) is toast too as of today

[maidenhaver]

I suspect some tendies infiltrated their trannycord for the purpose of leaking damaging information to nintendo.

Be vigilent, even here.

[maidenhaver]

I never gave much thought to those millions of youtube comments begging for remakes and remasters and rereleases until the flood of remasters broke. Now I know that behind those accounts sit idiots so mortally stupid, they can't even use an emulator, or if they could, they wouldn't, because the product isn't official.

[WhiteShark]

Citra dying is the bigger blow. I don't think there's another good 3DS emulator, unlike with the Switch.

[J1M]

Instead of seeing the over-reliance on emulation as a business/service problem, they only see it as a violation of their copyright. Disregarding the fact that "IP", or "intellectual property", is mostly gake and fay and everyone knows it, Nintendo's executives need to take a good hard look at customer feedback and really take it into account. Maybe the reason people like emulating their games so much, is because A: It's Free, and B: the games play and look better through emulation. Who in their right mind would pay $60+ for a game that runs at 720p/30 on real hardware, if they have the means to emulate it and get a much better experience?. Nintendo fans were probably abused more than any other this generation. Full-price Wii U ports, broken controllers that require constant maintenance and/or replacement, paid online that doesn't even compare to Xbox Live 1.0, and a sharp decline in the quality of output post-2017. Xbox and PlayStation are so benign and irrelevant in recent years I don't even think they have any fans, so they don't count.

Any good business would see this as an opportunity for further growth and investment. Nintendo should be porting their backlog to PC, and giving the customer what they want- to play Nintendo games on the hardware they prefer.

It's expected from a jap company, they have some of the most retarded views on IP.

Those views only exist because they cucked to American culture after World War 2. China has very different views.

[Suissant]

https://yuzu-emu.org/



Hello yuz-ers and Citra fans:

We write today to inform you that yuzu and yuzu’s support of Citra are being discontinued, effective immediately.

yuzu and its team have always been against piracy. We started the projects in good faith, out of passion for Nintendo and its consoles and games, and were not intending to cause harm. But we see now that because our projects can circumvent Nintendo’s technological protection measures and allow users to play games outside of authorized hardware, they have led to extensive piracy. In particular, we have been deeply disappointed when users have used our software to leak game content prior to its release and ruin the experience for legitimate purchasers and fans.

We have come to the decision that we cannot continue to allow this to occur. Piracy was never our intention, and we believe that piracy of video games and on video game consoles should end. Effective today, we will be pulling our code repositories offline, discontinuing our Patreon accounts and Discord servers, and, soon, shutting down our websites. We hope our actions will be a small step toward ending piracy of all creators’ works.

Thank you for your years of support and for understanding our decision.

edit: someone already posted it, sorry. But it's ludicrous how fast they just gave up. It's closed source and they were gaining money on patreon.

[BobT]

It's a shame. I love emulation. I had a Sega Saturn and a N64 (with limited edition Gold controller) and both got stolen during my childhood during a burglary.

Even the insurance at the time couldn't get ahold of the console and games I had at reasonable prices. They replaced the N64 and a couple of games, but couldn't get the rest of them or the controler, and they gave up completely on finding a Sega Saturn. Emulation is the only way for me to play those games now, that I paid for and owned.