List of woke and non-woke role-playing games

[Rand]

Men fight back via trooning

In some way that is correct, it is seemingly the only way to escape the original sin that feminism has created of being male. It's not a solution though, it's making it worse.

Why do you think misandrist feminism split?
Half want to encourage men deleting their maleness, the other half (correctly, but for the wrong reasons) see them as males, and their intent as gaming women's spaces and such.

[Rand]

Men fight back via trooning

In some way that is correct, it is seemingly the only way to escape the original sin that feminism has created of being male. It's not a solution though, it's making it worse.

Do you believe in the incel to troon pipeline? I'm skeptical, but it seems like a logical conclusion to someone who hates women enough that they would pretend to become one to humiliate them at their own game.

Troons are troons, but there are two major subtypes (and some minor ones we'll ignore for now), both with different motivations and different psychological presentations.
I assume the majority of incels fall into the autogynephilia category.

[Segata]

Niggers, there are already two troon threads already. Use the search function.

[Rand]

Niggers, there are already two troon threads already. Use the search function.

You're right. I get caught up in the moment.
I'll moderate myself more from here on out.

[Lord of Riva]

Why do you think misandrist feminism split?
Half want to encourage men deleting their maleness, the other half (correctly, but for the wrong reasons) see them as males, and their intent as gaming women's spaces and such.

I do not think they split at all, at least when it comes to misandry, they are infighting of course but they would never ally with men to combat the troon menace. Some even claim that trans-rights are men's rights in disguise, which is absolute nonsense, even though in certain circumstances I would defend a man pretending to be a woman for example when misandry generalizes his maleness into being a rapist.

Feminists like Lorber have always argued for decades now that Sex is not real and that all differences between the sexes are societal the people following that idea, which you correctly see as the eradication of anything male (props for that, it eludes many, they think it's solely celebrating of femaleness or a cope to avoid the sin of maleness) this is just feminism thought until it's logical conclusion.

Most feminists are *not* true believers in the Dogma though, they are simple female supremacists, while all of them think maleness is the devil the TERFs realize that men becoming women would mean the end for their movement, namely that they would give men some privileges back that they really want to keep for themselves. It's also the reason why they don't care about FtM transitioners, it's fine as long less people occupy the victim stack, but it's certainly not okay for men to become more than a victim on the stack as a woman.

I have yet to see TERFs in any quantity (or at all, not to say there may exist the odd one) exclaiming that FtM is a problem it's also just pure misandry from what I am seeing.

EDIT: I was writing at the time of the post @Segata Sanshiro if there is need to be futher discussion I will debate it there.

[ArcaneLurker]

Men fight back via trooning

In some way that is correct, it is seemingly the only way to escape the original sin that feminism has created of being male. It's not a solution though, it's making it worse.

Do you believe in the incel to troon pipeline? I'm skeptical, but it seems like a logical conclusion to someone who hates women enough that they would pretend to become one to humiliate them at their own game.

There are trannies that despise women, because they're envious of them, and then there are trannies that hate men, loath the fact they're a man, and idealise women to an insane degree.

I think it's more accurate to say that people like Keffals are repulsive and therefore technically get as little sex or romantic attention as incels™, and yet they also have a load of weird fetishes, like futa/ interracial, or grooming kids online and getting them to take hormones. It's also important to remember the authorities consider males that visit 4chan to be potential dissidents or incels, even though it's full of faggots from all over.

[Xenich]

• Woman's suffrage from 17th century to 2023 isn't woke. At worst (in case of heavy-handed pandering) it's mildly woke.

This one I am a bit conflicted on.

The heavy handed issues get as bad as the gay and race content, sometimes is glaring to the point it ruins the entire game.

BG 3 has it infested in everything. Even if that was the only "woke" point in the game, to me it would make the game severely woke.

I mean, it didn't just seem like it was "present", it was like every female character that was displayed in this manner wasn't simply misplaced, but it was like I was being berated by a butch dyke who was seething at men.

So I think there are layers and the worst definitely is equivalent to the worst of the worst IMO.

The mild implementations would be where there is the occasional addition where it could be "Reasoned" through excessive means, but still not likely. Those I can ignore, but I swear, I was already near max level at the start of Act 3 due to all of the women I put down because they treated me like I was some cuck for simply normal conversation.

Anyway, my 2 cents for what its worth.

[twig]

I do not think they split at all, at least when it comes to misandry, they are infighting of course but they would never ally with men to combat the troon menace.

Not quite— in the UK there's a loose Tory-feminist alliance. The online populists (typically right-wing) and feminazis tend to tolerate one another for the time being. It's going decently on Kiwi Farms, you can lurk and see for yourself. I also recommend Graham Linehan's substack.

Troons are troons, but there are two major subtypes (and some minor ones we'll ignore for now), both with different motivations and different psychological presentations.
I assume the majority of incels fall into the autogynephilia category.

If you're talking about AGP/HSTS split then it's not sufficient on categorizing online troons. You have several categories with massive overlap. Let's see.

• transsexuals
• porn addicts getting off by looking at their own bodies
• pedophiles
• groomed mentally-ill teens (by old men, but also as a social contagion and as response to 'white privilege')
• narcissists using troonism to get free publicity (Philosophy Tube, Dylan Mulvaney)
• young adults who trooned out to get rid of expectations of their parents

[Lord of Riva]

Not quite— in the UK there's a loose Tory-feminist alliance. The online populists (typically right-wing) and feminazis tend to tolerate one another for the time being. It's going decently on Kiwi Farms, you can lurk and see for yourself. I also recommend Graham Linehan's substack.

Fair, thanks for the analysis, and the recommendation. I just want to add that I do not see online populists in any way pro-male. Both the right (chivalry) and the left wing (trojan horse of gender) are gynocentric, so I was unclear with what I wrote. I do not think that the left wing is feminist even if their way of categorizing the world is, they latch onto any power they can. Those TERFs do not ally with movements or Ideas that are interested in the equality of the sexes (before the law)

[Element]

I do not think they split at all, at least when it comes to misandry, they are infighting of course but they would never ally with men to combat the troon menace.

Not quite— in the UK there's a loose Tory-feminist alliance. The online populists (typically right-wing) and feminazis tend to tolerate one another for the time being. It's going decently on Kiwi Farms, you can lurk and see for yourself. I also recommend Graham Linehan's substack.

Troons are troons, but there are two major subtypes (and some minor ones we'll ignore for now), both with different motivations and different psychological presentations.
I assume the majority of incels fall into the autogynephilia category.

If you're talking about AGP/HSTS split then it's not sufficient on categorizing online troons. You have several categories with massive overlap. Let's see.

• transsexuals
• porn addicts getting off by looking at their own bodies
• pedophiles
• groomed mentally-ill teens (by old men, but also as a social contagion and as response to 'white privilege')
• narcissists using troonism to get free publicity (Philosophy Tube, Dylan Mulvaney)
• young adults who trooned out to get rid of expectations of their parents

There's also the high-t masculine men who troon out. Ex green beret types. They're narcissists but they don't do it for publicity. They're autogynephiles.

[Yugomorph]

@twig

A question, if I may. I have noticed that the Black Geyser is not color-coded in green. Is that an oversight or do you not recommend the game for some reason?

[Irenaeus]

I do not think they split at all, at least when it comes to misandry, they are infighting of course but they would never ally with men to combat the troon menace.

Not quite— in the UK there's a loose Tory-feminist alliance. The online populists (typically right-wing) and feminazis tend to tolerate one another for the time being. It's going decently on Kiwi Farms, you can lurk and see for yourself. I also recommend Graham Linehan's substack.

Troons are troons, but there are two major subtypes (and some minor ones we'll ignore for now), both with different motivations and different psychological presentations.
I assume the majority of incels fall into the autogynephilia category.

If you're talking about AGP/HSTS split then it's not sufficient on categorizing online troons. You have several categories with massive overlap. Let's see.

• transsexuals
• porn addicts getting off by looking at their own bodies
• pedophiles
• groomed mentally-ill teens (by old men, but also as a social contagion and as response to 'white privilege')
• narcissists using troonism to get free publicity (Philosophy Tube, Dylan Mulvaney)
• young adults who trooned out to get rid of expectations of their parents

There's also the high-t masculine men who troon out. Ex green beret types. They're narcissists but they don't do it for publicity. They're autogynephiles.

Also Athletes, for example some MMA fighters and the most illuminating case of Bruce Jenner, a scandalous pervert even before he began wearing women's clothes in public.

[Xenich]

@twig

A question, if I may. I have noticed that the Black Geyser is not color-coded in green. Is that an oversight or do you not recommend the game for some reason?

Just based on following the key, I would assume it is one that he hasn't played maybe? It does list it as not woke at all in its other indicators. I played only a small portion, half heartedly and I didn't notice anything that stood out to me. It is one I have been meaning to go back to as it seems to be an honest effort and for the most part a solid presentation.

[twig]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

This is what I got from counting the (fighting) nobles of the main factions from the start of a new game with the latest update: [...]

Worse than I thought.
There was once a mod that rewrote the stronk women dialogue but I think an update broke it and it was never worked on again.

@Oyster Sauce, what did you mean by "stronk women dialogue"? This possibly will affect Bannerlord's score more than the female commanders issue.

[ArcaneLurker]

Not quite— in the UK there's a loose Tory-feminist alliance. The online populists (typically right-wing) and feminazis tend to tolerate one another for the time being. It's going decently on Kiwi Farms, you can lurk and see for yourself. I also recommend Graham Linehan's substack.

It's just that Populists aren't really that "Right Wing," they're just people that want some sanity, and to not be so actively genocided by their own state in the manner of the 'solutions' outlined in "Germany Must Perish."

[Lord of Riva]

@twig is there a limit on what games you would want to include due to playerbase?

I am playing Undernauts which has been a pretty decent Dungeon crawler thus far and apart from it being Japanese and featuring blank slate characters which can be anything from being manly to a females (sometimes in revealing clothes) and a few monsters and a little girl being a strong monster (that has some wierd tentacle monster attached to it) there is nothing I would remotely see as woke.

[Oyster Sauce]

This is what I got from counting the (fighting) nobles of the main factions from the start of a new game with the latest update: [...]

Worse than I thought.
There was once a mod that rewrote the stronk women dialogue but I think an update broke it and it was never worked on again.

@Oyster Sauce, what did you mean by "stronk women dialogue"? This possibly will affect Bannerlord's score more than the female commanders issue.

Can't find the mod, 50% female commanders are much worse than it anyhow.

[loregamer]

Are you keeping this list just for new releases? My zoomer ass finally got around to playing the Mass Effect trilogy this year and I had the greatest fucking time. If you wanted to add it, then I would put the trilogy around the mild-medium tier?

[twig]

Can't find the mod, 50% female commanders are much worse than it anyhow.

So there's stronk woman dialogue in the unmodded game? How bad is it?

[Breathe]

I see PoE says medium-heavy. Never played it, but I have Deadfire in the backlog. Is that game pozzed too?

[rusty_shackleford]

I see PoE says medium-heavy. Never played it, but I have Deadfire in the backlog. Is that game pozzed too?

I don't recall much, if any, in pillows but deadfire is giga-pozzed.
PoE->Deafire was right in the middle of the cultural shift of gamedevs as a backlash to gamergate's terrorism on wahmen

[Oyster Sauce]

Can't find the mod, 50% female commanders are much worse than it anyhow.

So there's stronk woman dialogue in the unmodded game? How bad is it?

It's nothing special unless you're really against women in warfare like I am. Wouldn't call it preachy, it's moreso shit like "They said I couldn't do war because I'm a girl but I showed them!".
Is that more or less shit than them just lampshading the fact that there are women serving in armies? I dunno.

[GotPlatinum]

Here's my proposal to the list, similar in style to that other post:


Small Saga

Heavy/Pozzed wokeness.

► Summary (Beware of spoilers if you care)

• LGBT-galore:
  * A major antagonist, Aquila, is non-binary with they/them pronouns and says that gender is arbitrary and a distraction. He later mentions humanity being "bigots who spit upon those they deem queer or degenerate" as part of the reason why he plans on nuking them.
  * Siobhan, your first party member after the prologue, is non-binary as well. She's uncomfortable being called a "young lady" at the beginning of the game, Verm says to Leo that she's "not a lady," uses they/them pronouns after a time skip (while under Aquila's wing, mind you), and eventually tells Nemain in her side quest that she's not a girl anymore.
  * The fight with Nemain being partially motivated because of his beliefs on sticking to gender roles and tells Siobhan afterwards that her father would've been proud of her regardless of gender.
  * Bruce is gay and has a boyfriend, Anton, who constantly refers to the former as "lapa," meaning either paw or darling.
  * Gwen is bisexual, which got her locked up in Sky Garden since she tried to flirt with Lamia, a female stoat.
  * Bree mentions at the end of the game that he plans on proposing to Stilton.
  * Verm says that he never gave romance much thought and doesn't think he'll ever like anyone that way. He is stated by the developer to be asexual.

• AGAB graffiti in Murida, obviously being the equivalent of "All Cops Are Bastards" or ACAB.

• The tonal whiplash after you get to Sky Garden, something that even positive reviewers on Steam noted. The game is so blatant and heavy-handed with the place under Clan Grey's rule being an allegory for "America under Donald Trump's presidency is a Nazi regime" that it stopped just short giving its ruler, Josh, a blonde wig and orange tan:
  * Clan Grey's historical explorer when they first arrived is named Christoph.
  * The second half of Josh's description of the clan's symbol is very similar to the US' pledge of allegiance with a couple words switched out.
  * The symbol for Clan Red, on the other hand, is a rainbow field of flowers. Clan Grey got rid of it, saying that it represented "weakness and degeneracy."
  * They lock people up and/or execute them for being "degenerate" or, in Bruce's case, just for being a red colored squirrel in Clan Red (which they genocided in the past and had their home torched.)
  * Red armbands and Nazi-looking uniforms for the Clan Grey soldiers.
  * Josh mentioning that he went to the Cailleach thinking she'd tell him how to "make Sky Garden great again."
  * The dialogue for one of the soldiers, Hank, being mostly being about fallacies and the protagonists fighting him (in the middle of a coup, for context) is proof that they couldn't win a "civil debate."
  * Even at a baseline surface level, the writing takes a very noticeable shift to modern-day internet lingo. Some dialogue includes "muh heritage" "sus" "beyond cringe" "lolololol" "uwu softboi" among others. Unlike Aquila, who understands human writing and has a smartphone, this isn't even handwaved with a throwaway line or something.
  * After the coup, a newspaper headline in Murida says "Clan Grey canceled! Sky Garden Goes Woke!", leading the reader to say that they "certainly have an angle."

• The developer responded twice on the game's discussion forum on Steam, claiming that the modern-day writing is a case of "anachronism" and that he considers the game "woke."
  
  

There's possibly more that I'm missing, but these are just the ones I could immediately think of.

[Tweed]

I wish people would make games instead of messages.

[maidenhaver]

All furries should be killed, probably.

[Tweed]

Most furfag games are vanity projects. Then again it seems most indie games these days are vanity projects. I've seen clips of Small Saga, there might be a game wedged in between the art and proselytizing, but don't expect me to go looking for it.

[Element]

@twig How extensive do you intend the list to be? Would you include total conversion mods like Enderal which are free?

[GotPlatinum]

Most furfag games are vanity projects. Then again it seems most indie games these days are vanity projects. I've seen clips of Small Saga, there might be a game wedged in between the art and proselytizing, but don't expect me to go looking for it.

Part of the game's draw in its description is that you don't have to grind at all, the game just hands you level ups whenever you get to a certain point. The downside is that the combat portions are so piss easy that you have to purposely handicap yourself or otherwise be a retard in order to be challenged.

The negative reviews mentioned other issues with the writing, seen in the attached screenshots, but half of the complaints seems to be more, well, writing issues than anything woke.

► screenshots

[Breathe]

You have a group of fascists who happen to be dressed up like they're in the American revolution, who pledge allegiance to a flag every morning, killed squirrels of another color fur to take their land, jail people for looking arabic or making queer jokes, and get overthrown by children and musicians standing up for themselves who put up a rainbow flag.

Jesus I may as well delete the pirated copy off of my ssd. Dafuq is this.

[Xenich]

You have a group of fascists who happen to be dressed up like they're in the American revolution, who pledge allegiance to a flag every morning, killed squirrels of another color fur to take their land, jail people for looking arabic or making queer jokes, and get overthrown by children and musicians standing up for themselves who put up a rainbow flag.

Jesus I may as well delete the pirated copy off of my ssd. Dafuq is this.

It is the outline of what they are eventually going to do to all those who oppose their insanity. Its political masturbation, though some might suggest it is the typical "warning before the storm" that is often associated with those influencing this culture. That is, ever notice the number of movies and shows about a pandemic, right before the pandemic? Go back throughout media and world events, it is rather eyrie how often the media content almost tells exactly what is about to happen.