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Karatasian Kings - A CK2 Random World LP

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Karatasian Kings - A CK2 Random World LP

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KARATASIAN KINGS

Welcome to my new LP of Crusader Kings 2!


Random World is an option that allows you to play in an alternative history scenario by generating combinations of cultural and religious data following specific algorithms. I modded these rules quite extensively, then the save games to reach a scenario to my liking. If this sounds interesting to you too, come along.

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Alternative history:
Circa 7,000 years ago the Proto-Indo-Europeans started to diverge from our timeline in subtle but significant ways. The Indo-European migrations starting from 4,500 BC took place with few differences, mostly a slightly stronger dominance of these people over their neighbors, Uralics, Turkics, Indo-Iranics, Caucasians. In the millennia that followed, the settlement of the Indo-European culture in the west occurred under much less pressure from invasions of other these people from the east. In fact, booming population in Europe caused invasion waves into the Caucasus, Near and Middle East and North Africa, on such a scale that can be likened to the Bronze Age Collapse but repeatedly so. The consequence is that the ancient civilizations, with their empires and kingdoms never recovered or even developed, their recorded history and cultural legacy lost. Alternatively, European nations evolved with significantly less Oriental influence, leading to a slower but surely, with cultural developments spreading through the region generating a type of religion commonality. Through constant tribe migrations and slower urban settlement and infrastructure construction, decentralization of power was high. Whatever empires and kingdoms did not last long and vanished from oral history, as written records were only popularized around the time of the second half of the first millennia of our Common Era. That’s when our history begins.

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We will follow the generation that is living in the time when a powerful and ambitious man ahead of an aristocratic and religious elite united the lands of many different nations into a single realm, and created the Karatasian Kings – his vassals over which he planned to control his vast empire.

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This is how our story begins, a nascent order from chaos, with the advice of the good members of our forum, I will begin the game.

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What are your primary goals for this playthrough? Starting as the Emperor of a super HRE seems like it would get stale fast unless you intentionally plan to play him as a dunce and fracture up the empire for descendants to try and reclaim or something.
Would also be curious to see what the culture and religion map modes would look like in this world so far.
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Vergil wrote: February 19th, 2024, 11:12
What are your primary goals for this playthrough? Starting as the Emperor of a super HRE seems like it would get stale fast unless you intentionally plan to play him as a dunce and fracture up the empire for descendants to try and reclaim or something.
Would also be curious to see what the culture and religion map modes would look like in this world so far.
First, thank you for your interest in my humble little project here. :salute: Now, CK2 is a game where you can just have on the side rolling while time flies and you can just watch a simulation going without interfering much. That's a bit what I intend for the start of the game, see how it evolves and write the story. Following the fate of the empire after a great founder. To your point, the player character being the "Emperor of a super HRE" is a good comparison. He is supposed to be mixture of a alternative world Charlesmagne with semi-mythical kings, I'm thinking Merovech and the like, as the cultural and religion make up is completely imagined (generated by the game then heavily modified).

At last, we'll introduce some of this mythology as told by supportive bards and clerics in the taverns and temples of the capital of the newly founded empire. See next post! :bounce:
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Ah okay I think I get it so it's less of a normal let's play where you play the game and update on what happens and more observe the game's AI and use the events that transpire as inspiration for a collaborative writing project?
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Once, in the age when the Karatasian realm was still woven with threads of magic and mystery, there arose a ruler whose destiny was etched in the sacred Skin-Bound Sagas. Prusas the Preussen, a warrior of unparalleled prowess, emerged from the wilds, destined for greatness.

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As a child, Prusas was found in the embrace of a she-wolf, a harbinger of destiny whispered by Hvězgznesyšitel, the Starwhisperer, in the cosmic winds. A wolf-reared lord, raised in the heart of nature, he grew to command the respect of both man and beast. Měsíčnítkatel, the Moonweaver, touched by his noble spirit, cast visions of his ascendancy on the celestial tapestry.

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In the Sacred Grove of Lunar Whispers, Prusas received the Moonlit Lullaby Harp from the hands of a wandering seer. Its ethereal tunes echoed through the enchanted glade, foretelling of battles waged and an empire to be born. With the divine melody as his guide, Prusas set out to unite the scattered tribes under a single banner.

Beneath the towering spires of the Astral Observatory atop the Heavenly Mountains, the hierophants of Karatasianism, attuned to the celestial rhythms, witnessed the alignment of stars heralding Prusas as the chosen Avatar.

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Guided by dreams woven by the Moonweaver herself, Prusas faced trials that mirrored the sagas of heroes past. As Prusas vanquished adversaries in the Cavern of Echoing Whispers, within the domain of Jeskněformovat, the Cavernshaper, the echoes of battles past reverberated through the stalactites. It is said that the cavern revealed secrets of ancient kings, fortifying Prusas with the wisdom to navigate the intricacies of leadership. Tvarimiro Kovačsrdce, the Mountain's Guardian, bestowed upon him a sacred amulet – Gaea's Embrace – a symbol of the earth's blessing, forging a connection between ruler and land. With each victorious stride, tales of Prusas' deeds spread like wildfire.

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In the southern shores of the Karatasian realms, Prusas sought the blessing of Příliviona, the Tidewalker, calling upon the aid of the Tidecaller's Conch. The ocean's depths resonated with the harmonies of divine approval, promising prosperous shores and bountiful seas to the united tribes.

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In a culmination of fate, Prusas the Preussen ascended the Hallowed Throne, a vision realized beneath the starlit heavens. The gods, from their ethereal abode on the Heavenly Mountains, witnessed the unification of the nations into the Hallowed Karatasian Empire, a testament to the prophecies foretold in the Skin-Bound Sagas.

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Prusas, the chosen Avatar, rules with wisdom and compassion, honoring the legacy of heroes and saints who had shaped his journey. His empire, guided by the pantheon's divine influence, became a beacon of unity and prosperity.
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In the heart of imperial capital of Opava, nestled amidst the flickering candlelight and the sweet hum of ale-filled tankards, a tale unfurls within the lively tavern. In this rainy night, the air is thick with the melodic strains of the bard's poetry, the enchanting voice weaving a spell over the patrons who sit enraptured.

As the bard's words paint vivid images of Prusas the Preussen's ascent, the patrons' imaginations ignite like embers in a hearth. Faces gleam from awe to wonder, as they envision the wolf-reared lord leading his tribes, conquering realms, and finally unifying the disparate lands beneath the celestial gaze of the Heavenly Mountains.

Yet, a small enclave of young nobles lingers in the shadowed corner, their countenances betraying a knowing gaze. They exchange subtle knowing glances, sharing a silent understanding drawn from the rich oral lore of their clans and tribes about the matters of the bard’s tale, which reveals a more nuanced narrative.

While the patrons sing with the embellishments of legend, these astute nobles, heirs to ancient lineages, hold within the history that delve into the intricacies of Prusas' rise, the alliances forged, and the trials faced. The saga of the new Emperor echoes through the muddy streets of Opava, between a rhapsody of loud imagination and whispered truths.
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Vergil wrote: February 20th, 2024, 01:03
Ah okay I think I get it so it's less of a normal let's play where you play the game and update on what happens and more observe the game's AI and use the events that transpire as inspiration for a collaborative writing project?
Great way of putting it. Let's see how this goes, might be slow to start but hopefully it picks up speed along the posts with more gameplay stuff. Just finishing this little intro to set the scene. :D

I promise there will be maps and units moving at some point!
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I have promised game maps and units; soon enough they will come, but before I wanted to add a little backstory to our Random World.

Circa 10,000 years ago, the alternate timeline started to diverge from our timeline. Temperatures began increasing more strongly coming out of the last smaller Ice Age glaciation, known for their esoteric name of Younger Dryas.

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The main causes were the resumption of strong currents of warm surface water northward from the tropics towards the North Atlantic, as well as an increase in summer solstice insulation from changes in Earth’s tilt, and as a subsequent factor, smaller ice sheets and more land surface reflected significant less solar radiation, contributing to the warming. These effects combined influenced the development of the many human cultures transitioning during the Neolithic period in Europe and Asia, from a lifestyle of hunting-gathering to one of agriculture and settlement, in the so-called Agricultural Revolution.

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As expected, at first settled farming originated in the Fertile Crescent of the Near East in 8,000 BC. Meanwhile, the warmer climate led to a more easily spreading of agriculture in the following centuries to northern areas such as the Caucasus and beyond, as well as through areas to the west, in southeastern Europe such as the Balkans, the Danube basin, and further northeast into Eastern Europe and Northwest into Central Europe. These regions then also experienced rapid fertility growth: the phenomenon known as the Neolithic demographic transition.

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The food surplus and more densely populated settlements afforded a sluggish but definitively local development of complex social organizations and technologies that are associated with southern Mesopotamia civilization. The list follows from specialization and division of labor, centralized administrations and political structures, hierarchical ideologies, fixed art production and religious ceremonies to intensive work in infrastructure and elaborate architecture, large scale mining, swamp drying, irrigation canals, deforestation operations, concentrated metallurgy centers and manufacture of metallic tools, leading to enough material accumulation for advanced concepts of property ownership and need for a depersonalized systems of communication (proto-writing). Then, the massive domestication of herd animals and the use of horses for ridding and wagons, as well as advances in shipbuilding, allowed longer range trade and commerce, with even more avenues for migration to boot.

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Note that all of this sophistication did not thrive continually. Indeed, periodic melting of ice sheets brought about rather long, from a human angle, periods of sudden decrease in global temperatures for a few centuries at a time. These practically killed off entire civilizations or forced them to adapt to drastically different environments, sometimes in harsh and violent clashes. In any case, by 4,000 BC, the Old-European and Proto-Indo-European cultures were looking very different than in our timeline, the majority more advanced and populated. Some time after a wave of colder climate that peaked in 3,500 BC, these Proto-Europeans presented stronger technological and warfare dominance either in systematic military campaigns or in occasional raids over their Chalcolithic neighbors to the southeast: Anatolian farmers (Proto-Hattians), all the Semites (Levant, Upper Mesopotamia) and other various Afro-Eurasian states, such as the Sumerians and Egyptians.

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The consequences of these invasions were the collapse and destruction of much what we would call ancient world in our timeline, and it left a very impressive mark on this alternate timeline. These centuries-old wars are a story to recount another day, perhaps. When the temperature stabilized in the beginning of the Bronze Age around 3,000 BC, the northeastern border for the Proto-Europeans was also settled and fortified against the many Finno-Uralic tribes, hordes of Turkics, Indo-Iranics, Caucasians pastoralist nomads.

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So how did the European cultures, from east to the west, developed in the millennia that followed? We know already they had much less external influence than in our timeline. But what about internal conflicts? They were nonetheless tremendous, as should be expected from large scale civilizations, even when left without foreign intervention on a long enough timeline… And we still have a little over 3,500 years to cover until the date the game starts. With this introduction, we can now examine how European cultures arrived at the current status quo, by region.
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Timely, given @joey ng post, I'm going to take up the LP where I left this six months ago. Let's examine how the alternative history European cultures (and their peripheries) arrived at the current status quo.
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When developing the background for this alternate history, there was a major racial and cultural group that survived the early millennia in Eastern Europe. Sharing physical traits with the Proto-Balto-Slavs of our timeline, the ethnogenesis of this Eastern European group would be the key factor for the development of later Central and Western Europe culture and ultimately led to the creation of the Karatasian empire. Here is an example of cultural development in Eastern Europe:

The Carpathian Mountains, located west of the region, served as a crucial trade crossroads despite their challenging winters and dangerous wildlife. The area became a vital link between proto-civilizations in the East and West, attracting traders and prospectors seeking valuable resources like copper and flint. The mountain passes, though perilous, facilitated the mingling of cultures and the exchange of goods, solidifying the region’s role as a key connector in early European development.


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In the millennium following 3,000 BC, the cultural influence of the warlike Eastern Europeans in Central and Western Europe reached its peak. The continent experienced waves migration and military campaigns, leading to technological transfer and demographic replacement and/or assimilation. The end of the period of warmer climate eventually increased the difficulty for long distance travels, leading to greater entrenchment and regionalization of culture groups.

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By 2,000 BC, the new proto-estates and local elites, having absorbed not only the superior bronze-smelting techniques but also the social hierarchies and ceremonial practices of neighboring groups, began to consolidate their power. The development of fortified hilltop settlement became a common feature across the region and the military advantage of the Eastern Europeans had finally been equalized.

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In this Bronze Age, trade networks initially formed around the movement of metals—copper from the Alps and tin from the British Isles—had expanded, linking disparate urban centers into a complex web of diplomatic city states and kingdoms. This period also saw the rise of new religious cults that supplanted local animistic and shamanistic traditions with more structured pantheons, influenced by interactions with the Eastern and Southern European clerical class.

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By 1,000 BC, Europe had entered a phase of relative stability, though the fragmented political landscape ensured constant competition between regional powers. The Central European heartland, particularly the regions around modern-day Germany and Austria, became a key cultural crossroads, blending all traditions - from northern savage tribes to agricultural wealth of the Mediterranean.

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The following 1,500 years saw the forging of advanced Iron Age empires rivalling those of Rome and Persia, that would themselves enter decadence periods and be replaced by a patchwork of petty kingdoms all around the continent. Heavy migration of Slav-like peoples showered Northern France and the British Isles, while the Scandinavian-like nations settled Northern Spain. Germanic-like seafaring tribes raided and settled across the west coast of Europe and into Africa and even the Middle East. It is said that Italic and Greek peoples migrated further beyond east to regions unknown in Europe.

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In the last couple centuries, the Iranian-like and Turkic hordes of Central Asia did great damage to Eastern Europe but weren’t able to reach the Vistula River, eventually moving north and into Scandinavia. Finally, the people of Pomeralia expanded militarily in the last century to occupy most of modern-day Poland. The story of the Karatasian Kings is story of the tributaries to this newly founded Empire.

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Across Europe, pagan religion bonds would keep people sharing a sense of identity despite their differences, as a polytheist pantheon was familiar and at least acknowledged if not followed by all. Different religions abounded to the South and East, out of reach of the Karatasian lands.
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Btw I am not sure if this is fitting but I saw this on steam:

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Finarfin wrote: September 12th, 2024, 22:16
Btw I am not sure if this is fitting but I saw this on steam:

Thanks, I love this type of tool. The LP takes place in Europe with the map provided by the game - someday we'll actually see the map! Stay tuned.
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Irenaeus wrote: September 12th, 2024, 23:04
Finarfin wrote: September 12th, 2024, 22:16
Btw I am not sure if this is fitting but I saw this on steam:

Thanks, I love this type of tool. The LP takes place in Europe with the map provided by the game - someday we'll actually see the map! Stay tuned.
Nice, I was lurking, I do look forward.
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Grab your cup of tea, sit back and relax, and hear what podcasters are saying about the Karatasian Empire tonight...

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Prusas and mytholgy
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The Rise of Faith and Law in the Karatasian World


As we explored the rich history of the Karatasian world, we traversed through the epochs of climate change, migrations and ethnogenesis, and the birth and death of cultures. Together, we have witnessed the dawn of Iron Age technology and heard about the rise of powerful civilizations, followed by their inevitable struggles, stagnation, and ultimate collapse. In the ruins of these fallen empires, new societies rose from the ashes, blending old traditions with novel innovations, giving birth to fresh identities and systems.

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Now, we turn to the next crucial pillars of the Karatasian world: religious development in organized society and its concurrent ramifications on legal frameworks that govern relations between kingdoms across this vast landscape. The evolution of spiritual beliefs and the gods of different cultures shaped not only their worldviews but also the fate of their societies. From the early personification of Nature, with animism and shamanism to the rise and competition of ever more vast pantheons, the rise of powerful priesthoods, the creation of holy sites and temple complexes, and the zealotry rivalries fueled conflicts across the continent.

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The polytheistic pantheons of the Karatasian world had turned religion into a major force, intertwining with politics, warfare, and daily life.

Equally vital to the world’s development was the creation of laws and customs to regulate interactions between the various kingdoms, chiefdoms, and city-states. As trade routes expanded, and borders shifted, leaders recognized the need for shared systems of diplomacy and justice. The old Bronze Age proto-legal codes dealt with territorial laws formalizing land ownership, boundaries, and succession. Kings and Emperors would claim divine authority from the gods to legitimize their rule. The physical collapse of these ancient civilizations did not stop their ideas from perpetuating.

In the Early Iron Age, shared legal codes led to the creation of formal legal systems, such as the Vallis Law and other codes that would govern the entiretity of Central Europe based off those of Bronze Age empires (Ancient Karatasian Empire and Old Vallis Kingdom), including property rights, taxation, military service, and family law. These laws are often inscribed on stone or clay tablets and enforced by courts. This law regulates property, trade, and military obligations, with severe punishments for those who defy the divine order.

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The maritime law of old confederation of city-states in the Mediterreanean and the Black Sea, in Northern Europe's seas, these frameworks ensured that even in times of war and instability, there remained a foundation for cooperation, trade, and, occasionally, peace. The sea gods of the Harpen pantheon bless the Harpen Codex of Northwestern Europe, a legal document regulating maritime disputes and piracy. This codex spreads beyond coastal cities, influencing inland tribes who adopt its principles to regulate trade and territory disputes.

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Eventually, up to start of our narrative in the Late Iron Age, most elements of both the Vallis Law and the Harpen Codex were adopted into a primitive international law. The emergence of these laws laid the groundwork for international relations, alliances, and vassalage systems, which would shape the feudal dynamics of the world.

Prepare to step into a world where belief and governance are deeply intertwined, and where ancient laws and sacred texts held the key to survival, dominance, and the quest for control over the Karatasian realms.
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