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Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:56

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:53

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:47

Just imagine, it'd be even lower if I was born a woman.

Average men are actually much stupider than the average women. Exceptional men are smarter than exceptional women. But the dumbest men are also dumber than the dumbest women. So chances of your intellect being low is quite high. Lower compared to mine? 100% chance.

Being quick to offend is not a trait associated with high intelligence.

Acktually that's related to wisdom. Wisdom is a dump stat.

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:58

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:56

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:53

Average men are actually much stupider than the average women. Exceptional men are smarter than exceptional women. But the dumbest men are also dumber than the dumbest women. So chances of your intellect being low is quite high. Lower compared to mine? 100% chance.

Being quick to offend is not a trait associated with high intelligence.

Acktually that's related to wisdom. Wisdom is a dump stat.

All your stats were dump stats.

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:59

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:58

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:56

Being quick to offend is not a trait associated with high intelligence.

Acktually that's related to wisdom. Wisdom is a dump stat.

All your stats were dump stats.

Not to defend the HOLE but this thread started with begging her to make a mod the OP is incapable of making.

Vergil wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:01

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:59

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:58

Acktually that's related to wisdom. Wisdom is a dump stat.

All your stats were dump stats.

Not to defend the HOLE but this thread started with begging her to make a mod the OP is incapable of making.

Clerical work has always been the domain of women.

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:02

Vergil wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:01

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:59

All your stats were dump stats.

Not to defend the HOLE but this thread started with begging her to make a mod the OP is incapable of making.

Clerical work has always been the domain of women.

Vergil wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:03

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:02

Vergil wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:01

Not to defend the HOLE but this thread started with begging her to make a mod the OP is incapable of making.

Clerical work has always been the domain of women.

Signifies that instead of spending time being a code monkey messing with things other people made I just order pajeets to do it for me for free.

Not trying to simp but orin does make good mods.

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:05

Vergil wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:03

Mondain wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 15:02

Clerical work has always been the domain of women.

Signifies that instead of spending time being a code monkey messing with things other people made I just order pajeets to do it for me for free.

Insults to disguise your own incompetence? How boring.

I find it really really curious that you keep bringing up orinEsque with tailored insults that shouldn't be obvious to a newfag. Whose alt are you? And why the fuck are you engaging with me in the first place?

Why are we arguing about this?
This is your game. Set it up how you want. This ain't Reddit or (yuck) the Nexus.

That being said, I don't buy female melee warriors myself. Archers either. Even crossbows or slings.
There is a physiological, psychological, and sociological difference between males and females where women can't effectively compete with males in a battle, don't want to, and it isn't in the interest of a group get women to fight without the threat of group annihilation creating the dire need.
If it were useful for females to fight in ancient armies, they would have. But they basically don't, ever, in any society. All throughout time and around the whole planet.
Women could occasionally win in a one-off, sure. But that's different from being capable in an organized fighting force.
Especially when something like 80% of the men are larger and stronger than 80% of the women.
And even in that 20% overlap, male testosterone and other biology still gives unfair advantages.
Even for the sub 1% of women that could compete, I wouldn't want to be the lone woman in regiments of males in a battlefield.

The only thing that I could buy this sort of thing in is a classical fantasy setting.
As in set in the type of environment written about by the ancient Greeks in the classical period.
Where the occasional woman is a godly avatar or a demigod with unique superhuman gifts.

Rand wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 18:26

Why are we arguing about this?
This is your game. Set it up how you want. This ain't Reddit or (yuck) the Nexus.

That being said, I don't buy female melee warriors myself. Archers either. Even crossbows or slings.
There is a physiological, psychological, and sociological difference between males and females where women can't effectively compete with males in a battle, don't want to, and it isn't in the interest of a group without the threat of annihilation if they don't.
If it were useful for females to fight in ancient armies, they would have. But they basically don't, ever, in any society. All throughout time and around the whole planet.
Women could occasionally win in a one-off, sure. But that's different from being capable in an organized fighting force.
Especially when something like 80% of the men are larger and stronger than 80% of the women.
And even in that 20% overlap, male testosterone and other biology still gives unfair advantages.
Even for the sub 1% of women that could compete, I wouldn't want to be the lone woman in regiments of males in a battlefield.

The only thing that I could buy this sort of thing in is a classical fantasy setting.
As in set in the type of environment written about by the ancient Greeks in the classical period.
Where the occasional woman is a godly avatar or a demigod with unique superhuman gifts.

Oh? You mean like a Bhaalspawn?

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 18:31

Oh? You mean like a Bhaalspawn?

Sure. But not randoms in the Flaming Fist (and every command position), or every second bandit.

If you're able to suspend your disbelief when observing women in combat roles you have wonky-brain.

I'm glad this has its own thread. Also, if you play as a female character, as a male, then you have wonky-brain too and need to cut that sht out.

pieface wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:38

If you're able to suspend your disbelief when observing women in combat roles you have wonky-brain.

I'm glad this has its own thread. Also, if you play as a female character, as a male, then you have wonky-brain too and need to cut that sht out.

Make your own mod.

Makirige wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:50

pieface wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:38

If you're able to suspend your disbelief when observing women in combat roles you have wonky-brain.

I'm glad this has its own thread. Also, if you play as a female character, as a male, then you have wonky-brain too and need to cut that sht out.

Make your own mod.

I don't think you understand how the mod request section works

pieface wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:51

Makirige wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:50

pieface wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:38

If you're able to suspend your disbelief when observing women in combat roles you have wonky-brain.

I'm glad this has its own thread. Also, if you play as a female character, as a male, then you have wonky-brain too and need to cut that sht out.

Make your own mod.

I don't think you understand how the mod request section works

I don't think you understand, you posted this in NoAlphabets thread. You got no leg to stand on.

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:54

pieface wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:51

Makirige wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:50

Make your own mod.

I don't think you understand how the mod request section works

I don't think you understand, you posted this in NoAlphabets thread. You got no leg to stand on.

I'm really confused why you're angry

pieface wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:51

Makirige wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:50

pieface wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:38

If you're able to suspend your disbelief when observing women in combat roles you have wonky-brain.

I'm glad this has its own thread. Also, if you play as a female character, as a male, then you have wonky-brain too and need to cut that sht out.

Make your own mod.

I don't think you understand how the mod request section works

Just because you submit your request doesn't mean we have to. If nobody wants to do it, you do it yourself

Makirige wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:56

pieface wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:51

Makirige wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 19:50

Make your own mod.

I don't think you understand how the mod request section works

Just because you submit your request doesn't mean we have to. If nobody wants to do it, you do it yourself

It if wasn't obvious it's a low effort troll, it's obvious now. Ignore it.

Sorry Orin but you don't get to decide what is and isn't a troll. This is a serious request that makes logical sense.

If you want to discuss the role of women in fantasy combat settings please start by addressing my original post's points instead of ad hominem.

Maybe if the idea would've been approached from a more positive angle such as: "hey, why doesn't someone make a mod where women in glorious support positions such as healers/hospitallers get some extra flavour? I'm thinking the Asclepios glass with the snake coiled around it, and some laurii on top of their heads, and some pretty sparkles when they heal our adventurers?"

If you had put it like that, you would've (probably) gotten something within a week.

Just sayin'. You can love a woman in more ways than one.

The_Mask wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:05

Maybe if the idea would've been approached from a more positive angle such as: "hey, why doesn't someone make a mod where women in glorious support positions such as healers/hospitallers get some extra flavour? I'm thinking the Asclepios glass with the snake coiled around it, and some laurii on top of their heads, and some pretty sparkles when they heal our adventurers?"

If you had put it like that, you would've (probably) gotten something within a week.

Just sayin'. You can love a woman in more ways than one.

Please reply more to this thread to prove how not angry you are

The_Mask wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:05

Maybe if the idea would've been approached from a more positive angle such as: "hey, why doesn't someone make a mod where women in glorious support positions such as healers/hospitallers get some extra flavour? I'm thinking the Asclepios glass with the snake coiled around it, and some laurii on top of their heads, and some pretty sparkles when they heal our adventurers?"

If you had put it like that, you would've (probably) gotten something within a week.

Just sayin'. You can love a woman in more ways than one.

Nah, it sounds to me like he's trying to push the idea that baldur's gate is not a medieval fantasy because women have unrealistic abilities. Which is why I suspect it's a reddit troll. Because he didn't say no female warrior, he said women shouldn't be in the party at all. Which is suspect.

This is a fantasy game, so naturally suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy it, and the limit to suspension of disbelief is going to be different for each person. For me personally, bending the rules a bit on sexual dimorphism is fine, although I still prefer it when females occupy magic/agility-type roles. It just makes more sense overall. I'd never make a halfling barbarian for the same reason.

I do agree with Rand, that there's simply too many females in general, and especially in command positions. This seems politically charged and intentional which is the main reason I find it so irritating.

All that said, I think there's been a lot of unnecessary animosity on this thread and we're arguing in a situation where we could just as easily just be talking.

OnTilt wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:29

This is a fantasy game, so naturally suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy it, and the limit to suspension of disbelief is going to be different for each person. For me personally, bending the rules a bit on sexual dimorphism is fine, although I still prefer it when females occupy magic/agility-type roles. It just makes more sense overall. I'd never make a halfling barbarian for the same reason.

I do agree with Rand, that there's simply too many females in general, and especially in command positions. This seems politically charged and intentional which is the main reason I find it so irritating.

All that said, I think there's been a lot of unnecessary animosity on this thread and we're arguing in a situation where we could just as easily just be talking.

I don't roll strength based classes with female avatar. I would think the weave gives no shits about gender considering mystra was a women before woke was a thing. Also poisons and backstabbing is very much a woman's MO....

I don't see why all the other non Strength based classes should be restricted to men either.

ArcaneLurker wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:54

Citation needed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:14

The_Mask wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:05

Maybe if the idea would've been approached from a more positive angle such as: "hey, why doesn't someone make a mod where women in glorious support positions such as healers/hospitallers get some extra flavour? I'm thinking the Asclepios glass with the snake coiled around it, and some laurii on top of their heads, and some pretty sparkles when they heal our adventurers?"

If you had put it like that, you would've (probably) gotten something within a week.

Just sayin'. You can love a woman in more ways than one.

Nah, it sounds to me like he's trying to push the idea that baldur's gate is not a medieval fantasy because women have unrealistic abilities. Which is why I suspect it's a reddit troll. Because he didn't say no female warrior, he said women shouldn't be in the party at all. Which is suspect.

OnTilt wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:29

This is a fantasy game, so naturally suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy it, and the limit to suspension of disbelief is going to be different for each person. For me personally, bending the rules a bit on sexual dimorphism is fine, although I still prefer it when females occupy magic/agility-type roles. It just makes more sense overall. I'd never make a halfling barbarian for the same reason.

I do agree with Rand, that there's simply too many females in general, and especially in command positions. This seems politically charged and intentional which is the main reason I find it so irritating.

All that said, I think there's been a lot of unnecessary animosity on this thread and we're arguing in a situation where we could just as easily just be talking.

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:37

OnTilt wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:29

This is a fantasy game, so naturally suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy it, and the limit to suspension of disbelief is going to be different for each person. For me personally, bending the rules a bit on sexual dimorphism is fine, although I still prefer it when females occupy magic/agility-type roles. It just makes more sense overall. I'd never make a halfling barbarian for the same reason.

I do agree with Rand, that there's simply too many females in general, and especially in command positions. This seems politically charged and intentional which is the main reason I find it so irritating.

All that said, I think there's been a lot of unnecessary animosity on this thread and we're arguing in a situation where we could just as easily just be talking.

I don't roll strength based classes with female avatar. I would think the weave gives no shits about gender considering mystra was a women before woke was a thing. Also poisons and backstabbing is very much a woman's MO....

I don't see why all the other non Strength based classes should be restricted to men either.

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:39

ArcaneLurker wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 14:54

Citation needed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis

I knew about that. Not exactly what you said though.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:40

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:14

The_Mask wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:05

Maybe if the idea would've been approached from a more positive angle such as: "hey, why doesn't someone make a mod where women in glorious support positions such as healers/hospitallers get some extra flavour? I'm thinking the Asclepios glass with the snake coiled around it, and some laurii on top of their heads, and some pretty sparkles when they heal our adventurers?"

If you had put it like that, you would've (probably) gotten something within a week.

Just sayin'. You can love a woman in more ways than one.

Nah, it sounds to me like he's trying to push the idea that baldur's gate is not a medieval fantasy because women have unrealistic abilities. Which is why I suspect it's a reddit troll. Because he didn't say no female warrior, he said women shouldn't be in the party at all. Which is suspect.

OnTilt wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:29

This is a fantasy game, so naturally suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy it, and the limit to suspension of disbelief is going to be different for each person. For me personally, bending the rules a bit on sexual dimorphism is fine, although I still prefer it when females occupy magic/agility-type roles. It just makes more sense overall. I'd never make a halfling barbarian for the same reason.

I do agree with Rand, that there's simply too many females in general, and especially in command positions. This seems politically charged and intentional which is the main reason I find it so irritating.

All that said, I think there's been a lot of unnecessary animosity on this thread and we're arguing in a situation where we could just as easily just be talking.

orinEsque wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:37

OnTilt wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:29

This is a fantasy game, so naturally suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy it, and the limit to suspension of disbelief is going to be different for each person. For me personally, bending the rules a bit on sexual dimorphism is fine, although I still prefer it when females occupy magic/agility-type roles. It just makes more sense overall. I'd never make a halfling barbarian for the same reason.

I do agree with Rand, that there's simply too many females in general, and especially in command positions. This seems politically charged and intentional which is the main reason I find it so irritating.

All that said, I think there's been a lot of unnecessary animosity on this thread and we're arguing in a situation where we could just as easily just be talking.

I don't roll strength based classes with female avatar. I would think the weave gives no shits about gender considering mystra was a women before woke was a thing. Also poisons and backstabbing is very much a woman's MO....

I don't see why all the other non Strength based classes should be restricted to men either.

There's no grounding for a car in medieval fantasy. Similarly, there's no grounding for loads of female warriors in medieval fantasy. Even fantasy has to provide a willing suspension of disbelief. This is basic stuff

OnTilt wrote: ↑ March 4th, 2024, 20:29

This is a fantasy game, so naturally suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy it, and the limit to suspension of disbelief is going to be different for each person. For me personally, bending the rules a bit on sexual dimorphism is fine

I don't even fully disagree with you but A) that is the gayest argument ever. What makes a fantasy setting good or not is typically how immersive it is for the reader/player. The entire point is to blur the lines between our world and this other one, and just because you have magic or dragons (which btw, not long ago and even today people still see this as much of a matter of fact as it is fantasy) does not mean the world is unbelievable. Good fantasy settings operate within certain rules and the like, just like our own, and typically mirror it in many ways. You can't just get rid of gravity without good reason, even though that's fantastical in your definition. This is not the same as low-tier capeshit, or at least it shouldn't be.

B) Saying every person's view is different is also gay and retarded and sounds like something a libshit would say. Just because you deny a biological reality does not mean something should cater to it to appease everyone. There is a large difference between fantasy and imagination, and what you are describing is just imagination. Interestingly, people never make this argument for Sci-fi despite it applying just as much...