Shithole (Mobile Games, Gacha, Android/IOS games)
Posted: August 24th, 2025, 10:04
I found Ninja Arashi 1 & 2 to be pretty good time wasters
Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 02:19This requires a little bit of a history lesson.Norfleet wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 00:35You and your weeb ****. What the hell does that even mean? Only two of those are real words and neither one has any meaning when used together with the other two.
Then they made a fourth Houkai/Honkai game, Honkai Star Rail. Same story revolving around supernatural calamities (this time called Stellarons instead of Houkai). The "Star Rail" part refers to the main party's vehicle, the Astral Express (inspired by the Galaxy Express 999 anime). It appears that by default, most vessels in the HSR setting are incapable of interstellar travel. The Astral Express was created by a man who ascended and became a god named Akivili to discover new worlds, and open up tears in the fabric of space that allow people who follow in the Express' wake to travel to other worlds. This path is called the Star Rail. The first few arcs have you retrace the Astral Express' path to established worlds, but the current arc has you go off grid into uncharted territory to establish the Star Rail there.► A short history of Mihoyo
In the background codex lore, Genshin and HSR actually all take place in the same overall universe of the Imaginary Tree in HI3. Alternate universe/rehashes of HI3 characters appear in Genshin and HSR. HSR is also somewhat of a sequel to HI3, with an actual character (Welt) from HI3 having travelled across universes to HSR after the ending of HI3.
Mihoyo's latest game, Zenless Zone Zero, has been declared by Mihoyo to have zero connection to the Honkaiverse whatsoever. No similar names, no character rehashes/expies, no shared far background setting of the Imaginary Tree, etc. They do share the same overall story idea of the game taking place in the wake of an apocalypse.

Never watched Evangelion so had no idea about all the inspiration they took from itVal the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 02:19This requires a little bit of a history lesson.Norfleet wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 00:35You and your weeb ****. What the hell does that even mean? Only two of those are real words and neither one has any meaning when used together with the other two.
Then they made a fourth Houkai/Honkai game, Honkai Star Rail. Same story revolving around supernatural calamities (this time called Stellarons instead of Houkai). The "Star Rail" part refers to the main party's vehicle, the Astral Express (inspired by the Galaxy Express 999 anime). It appears that by default, most vessels in the HSR setting are incapable of interstellar travel. The Astral Express was created by a man who ascended and became a god named Akivili to discover new worlds, and open up tears in the fabric of space that allow people who follow in the Express' wake to travel to other worlds. This path is called the Star Rail. The first few arcs have you retrace the Astral Express' path to established worlds, but the current arc has you go off grid into uncharted territory to establish the Star Rail there.► A short history of Mihoyo
In the background codex lore, Genshin and HSR actually all take place in the same overall universe of the Imaginary Tree in HI3. Alternate universe/rehashes of HI3 characters appear in Genshin and HSR. HSR is also somewhat of a sequel to HI3, with an actual character (Welt) from HI3 having travelled across universes to HSR after the ending of HI3.
Mihoyo's latest game, Zenless Zone Zero, has been declared by Mihoyo to have zero connection to the Honkaiverse whatsoever. No similar names, no character rehashes/expies, no shared far background setting of the Imaginary Tree, etc. They do share the same overall story idea of the game taking place in the wake of an apocalypse.
They made the Sony robo dinosaur game protagonist into a playable character into Genshin. She was only available for a limited time and has never come back.Valter wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 12:49Never watched Evangelion so had no idea about all the inspiration they took from itVal the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 02:19This requires a little bit of a history lesson.Norfleet wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 00:35
You and your weeb ****. What the hell does that even mean? Only two of those are real words and neither one has any meaning when used together with the other two.
Then they made a fourth Houkai/Honkai game, Honkai Star Rail. Same story revolving around supernatural calamities (this time called Stellarons instead of Houkai). The "Star Rail" part refers to the main party's vehicle, the Astral Express (inspired by the Galaxy Express 999 anime). It appears that by default, most vessels in the HSR setting are incapable of interstellar travel. The Astral Express was created by a man who ascended and became a god named Akivili to discover new worlds, and open up tears in the fabric of space that allow people who follow in the Express' wake to travel to other worlds. This path is called the Star Rail. The first few arcs have you retrace the Astral Express' path to established worlds, but the current arc has you go off grid into uncharted territory to establish the Star Rail there.► A short history of Mihoyo
In the background codex lore, Genshin and HSR actually all take place in the same overall universe of the Imaginary Tree in HI3. Alternate universe/rehashes of HI3 characters appear in Genshin and HSR. HSR is also somewhat of a sequel to HI3, with an actual character (Welt) from HI3 having travelled across universes to HSR after the ending of HI3.
Mihoyo's latest game, Zenless Zone Zero, has been declared by Mihoyo to have zero connection to the Honkaiverse whatsoever. No similar names, no character rehashes/expies, no shared far background setting of the Imaginary Tree, etc. They do share the same overall story idea of the game taking place in the wake of an apocalypse.Interesting that it's the only collab Hoyo has ever agreed to with another franchise

We don't talk about the Alloy cameo, in fact it never happened! Take your pills!Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 18:13They made the Sony robo dinosaur game protagonist into a playable character into Genshin. She was only available for a limited time and has never come back.Valter wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 12:49Never watched Evangelion so had no idea about all the inspiration they took from itVal the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 02:19
This requires a little bit of a history lesson.
Then they made a fourth Houkai/Honkai game, Honkai Star Rail. Same story revolving around supernatural calamities (this time called Stellarons instead of Houkai). The "Star Rail" part refers to the main party's vehicle, the Astral Express (inspired by the Galaxy Express 999 anime). It appears that by default, most vessels in the HSR setting are incapable of interstellar travel. The Astral Express was created by a man who ascended and became a god named Akivili to discover new worlds, and open up tears in the fabric of space that allow people who follow in the Express' wake to travel to other worlds. This path is called the Star Rail. The first few arcs have you retrace the Astral Express' path to established worlds, but the current arc has you go off grid into uncharted territory to establish the Star Rail there.► A short history of Mihoyo
In the background codex lore, Genshin and HSR actually all take place in the same overall universe of the Imaginary Tree in HI3. Alternate universe/rehashes of HI3 characters appear in Genshin and HSR. HSR is also somewhat of a sequel to HI3, with an actual character (Welt) from HI3 having travelled across universes to HSR after the ending of HI3.
Mihoyo's latest game, Zenless Zone Zero, has been declared by Mihoyo to have zero connection to the Honkaiverse whatsoever. No similar names, no character rehashes/expies, no shared far background setting of the Imaginary Tree, etc. They do share the same overall story idea of the game taking place in the wake of an apocalypse.Interesting that it's the only collab Hoyo has ever agreed to with another franchise
HSR recently just got a Fate/Stay Night collab a couple months ago. There is a story event around it if you have completed Penacony and some of the Penacony epilogue/Trailblaze Continuance missions. Archer is free to claim until 3.6. Saber has a banner you have to roll for and will last indefinitely. Pretty interesting since Fate already has a gacha game (Fate/Grand Order). Gacha games typically don't do collabs with each other.
Please sir, save some chromosomes for the rest of us!Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 02:19This requires a little bit of a history lesson.Norfleet wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 00:35You and your weeb ****. What the hell does that even mean? Only two of those are real words and neither one has any meaning when used together with the other two.
Then they made a fourth Houkai/Honkai game, Honkai Star Rail. Same story revolving around supernatural calamities (this time called Stellarons instead of Houkai). The "Star Rail" part refers to the main party's vehicle, the Astral Express (inspired by the Galaxy Express 999 anime). It appears that by default, most vessels in the HSR setting are incapable of interstellar travel. The Astral Express was created by a man who ascended and became a god named Akivili to discover new worlds, and open up tears in the fabric of space that allow people who follow in the Express' wake to travel to other worlds. This path is called the Star Rail. The first few arcs have you retrace the Astral Express' path to established worlds, but the current arc has you go off grid into uncharted territory to establish the Star Rail there.► A short history of Mihoyo
In the background codex lore, Genshin and HSR actually all take place in the same overall universe of the Imaginary Tree in HI3. Alternate universe/rehashes of HI3 characters appear in Genshin and HSR. HSR is also somewhat of a sequel to HI3, with an actual character (Welt) from HI3 having travelled across universes to HSR after the ending of HI3.
Mihoyo's latest game, Zenless Zone Zero, has been declared by Mihoyo to have zero connection to the Honkaiverse whatsoever. No similar names, no character rehashes/expies, no shared far background setting of the Imaginary Tree, etc. They do share the same overall story idea of the game taking place in the wake of an apocalypse.
By the metrics we have, it is still very successful. Up in the top 10 mobile games according to Sensortower, and up there with GBF and Uma Musume as the biggest Japanese gacha game. Still raking in hundreds of millions of USD each year.Valter wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 18:20Also is Grand Order still successful? It's been so long... if it's not as profitable as it used to be, it might be a better move to start doing collabs with bigger gachas.

I think it probably has to do with licensing issues. Japanese companies are notorious about licensing rights. IIRC the second Judgement game (Yakuza spinoff) for a long time wasn't able to get brought over here because the company that owned the rights to the main character's voice did not want his voice to be able to be heard on the internet (even though anyone could just record gameplay of Judgement on a console in Japan and upload it online). This has also been an issue with the 2D gacha game collabs where releases in other regions were delayed and one of the reasons was that they had to dig out the licensed collab stuff out of the code because it was not licensed to go outside of Japan. Genshin and HSR are multiplatform games with simultaneous global releases in many countries. So that's probably a dealbreaker for collabing with most anime stuff owned by Japanese companies that are still stuck in the past about this.Finarfin wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 18:31It is weird how Genshin is the only game that hasn't had a collab in years. Just get some anime or game that fits.
Yeah with that in mind it really does seem like TypeMoon is trying to reach a more global audience. I'm happy if this is the case since several of their products are/were japanese-only for a long time, like the Hollow Ataraxia VN or the Extra/CCC game.Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 19:20By the metrics we have, it is still very successful. Up in the top 10 mobile games according to Sensortower, and up there with GBF and Uma Musume as the biggest Japanese gacha game. Still raking in hundreds of millions of USD each year.Valter wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 18:20Also is Grand Order still successful? It's been so long... if it's not as profitable as it used to be, it might be a better move to start doing collabs with bigger gachas.
Sensortower rankings for July 2025
The thing about Sensortower rankings is that it does not have the complete picture, since they collect their data from the Google Play Store and the Apple App Store. It does not track Samsung Galaxy App Store, Playstation store (according to a leaked report, Sony views Genshin as a tentpole for Playstation revenue, having made over a billion USD there within the first two years), Steam (WuWa got a Steam port last year), the Epic Games (Genshin also available there), or games that you do not access via an app store/console, etc. We know that Granblue Fantasy was tremendously successful in Japan, rivalled only by FGO and now succeeded by Cygames' newest gacha Uma Musume, but GBF is accessed through your web browser so Sensortower can't track sales there either. A lot of gachas also offer a direct download outside of an app store. Chinese users also don't download their games from Western appstores and instead use a Tencent app called YingYongBao, which SensorTower cannot track revenue on. And a lot of whales will buy gacha primogems via third party websites that offer discounts, and this activity may or may not be tracked. Also, gacha game popularity varies by region. IIRC WuWa is now more popular in the US than Genshin, but Genshin is far, far more popular than WuWa globally (China, then Southeast Asia and Japan, then the US). Whereas WuWa is only really popular in Korea and to a lesser extent, the US. FGO is mostly popular in Japan but not that much outside of it.
The main issue with FGO is that 1. it is not very popular globally like with these new 3D gachas that went mainstream (primarily due to the source material, the Fate/Stay Night VN, having been easily accessible and marketed outside of Japan until recently. So outside of overseas weebs hanging out fan translation forums, you had to have been Japanese to have known about it), and 2. it isn't able to continuously bring in lots of new people. Mihoyo's strategy is to have Genshin be marketed as family friendly and get people into Hoyo games via Genshin, and then when people grow older and want something else, there is HSR and ZZZ ready and waiting for them. Same reason why Pokemon succeeds is that even though us jaded old fans are dissatisfied, Pokemon is still able to get kids while they are young. With FGO and the other 2D gachas, it appears they are entering the same situation that WoW did where it's overall just the same aging playerbase.
I think it probably has to do with licensing issues. Japanese companies are notorious about licensing rights. IIRC the second Judgement game (Yakuza spinoff) for a long time wasn't able to get brought over here because the company that owned the rights to the main character's voice did not want his voice to be able to be heard on the internet (even though anyone could just record gameplay of Judgement on a console in Japan and upload it online). This has also been an issue with the 2D gacha game collabs where releases in other regions were delayed and one of the reasons was that they had to dig out the licensed collab stuff out of the code because it was not licensed to go outside of Japan. Genshin and HSR are multiplatform games with simultaneous global releases in many countries. So that's probably a dealbreaker for collabing with most anime stuff owned by Japanese companies that are still stuck in the past about this.Finarfin wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2025, 18:31It is weird how Genshin is the only game that hasn't had a collab in years. Just get some anime or game that fits.
Non-anime stuff can be harder to fit in, not just because of aesthetic differences but also because there might not be as much overlap in fandom tastes. What non-anime properties would Genshin or HSR collab with? Star Wars? MCU? Harry Potter? Either of the two Avatar franchises? Well I guess ATLA might fit, but ATLA is not big and has more of a Firefly-esque cultfandom of vocal Millenials. Or maybe Hades? Is that big?
Bluestacks 5, not the X version they're pimping out that's some cloud-gaming garbage. Tuning the settings is important to allow it full access to your processor's cores and your RAM amount. There's also an literal "turn off ads" setting
Got it. I installed BlueStacks 5 and tuned some settings. Should be ready to check out Destiny Rising on the 28th.Valter wrote: ↑ August 25th, 2025, 21:14Bluestacks 5, not the X version they're pimping out that's some cloud-gaming garbage. Tuning the settings is important to allow it full access to your processor's cores and your RAM amount. There's also an literal "turn off ads" setting![]()
I wonder if it would be possible for there to be some sort of open sourced smartphone OS like Linux that is also able to have access to the Samsung Galaxy app store and Google Play Stores. Maybe spoofing or emulating an android OS to get past the verification like PC emulators of phones.methoxetamine wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 02:52I'm too lazy to make a new thread, forgive me, maybe this could apply to some games though. You guys see that Google is going to block sideloading on Android next year? I'm ******, **** those **** cocksuckers at Shitgle
https://archive.md/6y8wb
Google is the antichrist, but be assured the righteous shall rise.methoxetamine wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 02:52I'm too lazy to make a new thread, forgive me, maybe this could apply to some games though. You guys see that Google is going to block sideloading on Android next year? I'm ******, **** those **** cocksuckers at Shitgle
https://archive.md/6y8wb
So there is autochess and there is... riding your monsters? Maybe it's a mix with multiple game modes? Only time will tell






For clarification, this will not block sideloading, only anonymous sideloading. You will still be able to sideload signed packages, which is really only an issue if you're a pirate.methoxetamine wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 02:52I'm too lazy to make a new thread, forgive me, maybe this could apply to some games though. You guys see that Google is going to block sideloading on Android next year? I'm ******, **** those **** cocksuckers at Shitgle
https://archive.md/6y8wb
In today's industry, it would not be possible for a high production value serialized game like Genshin to exist and continue year after year if it were a box purchase game. That is fantasy economics. Take a look around at how the Western AAA box purchase model has been breaking apart for the last several years with flop after flop and studio closures. Black swan hits like Elden Ring and BG3 are the exception. Most games are not hits.Trickster wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 11:52Gacha shouldn't exist. All skins, characters, etc., should be available in game shops without that ****** casino.
I think he just meant that there should be a cash shop that allows direct purchases of the characters you want. Whether that would be financially viable compared to the lottery system, I don't know. I assume it at least wouldn't be as lucrative or they would be doing that instead.Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 18:42In today's industry, it would not be possible for a high production value serialized game like Genshin to exist and continue year after year if it were a box purchase game.Trickster wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 11:52Gacha shouldn't exist. All skins, characters, etc., should be available in game shops without that ****** casino.
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I only care about ReVanced. That is surely not going to be allowedKriptini wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 17:59For clarification, this will not block sideloading, only anonymous sideloading. You will still be able to sideload signed packages, which is really only an issue if you're a pirate.methoxetamine wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 02:52I'm too lazy to make a new thread, forgive me, maybe this could apply to some games though. You guys see that Google is going to block sideloading on Android next year? I'm ******, **** those **** cocksuckers at Shitgle
https://archive.md/6y8wb
biggest failure of economics is the assumption that everything is already optimized instead of just doing something that isn't broken so no reason to fix(optimize)WhiteShark wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 19:02I assume it at least wouldn't be as lucrative or they would be doing that instead.
Granted, but in this particular case, cash shops have already been tried extensively, so it's reasonable to think that the dominance of lottery systems is because it is more profitable than cash shops. Maybe it varies from platform to platform based on their userbases.rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 20:41biggest failure of economics is the assumption that everything is already optimized instead of just doing something that isn't broken so no reason to fix(optimize)WhiteShark wrote: ↑ August 29th, 2025, 19:02I assume it at least wouldn't be as lucrative or they would be doing that instead.