Which RPG has the best combat(in their subgenre)?

[rusty_shackleford]

I want some more opinions on action RPGs

Victor Vran had satisfying combat that should be emulated in other similar games.
As far as shooty pooty goes, Fallout 4 is probably the best tbh. Doesn't really have any competition I can think of.
Dragon's Dogma has decent action combat, but the game is so repetitive.
I recall Divinity 2 TDKS having good combat, but it has been a while. Fun game.

I actually liked Oblivion's combat, it was serviceable.

For action combat with pause, Aarklash & Tower of Time are quite good.

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I should play Risen, I only played 2 & 3, but not 1.

[Gregz]

Mount & Blade: Warband combat is the best blend of twitch and RPG elements.

Borderlands is the best blend of shooter and RPG elements.

[rusty_shackleford]

World of Wacraft raid encounters. There are some really cool fights, like the Gunship battle where a team has to detach from the raid and go jump over to the other airship to assassinate the enemy commander. Spine of Deathwing where the raid is having to cling onto the back of a dragon while he is rolling trying to throw you off. The Dark Animus encounter where you have to carefully manage the flow of anima from smaller golems to medium and bigger sized golems, trying to delay the filling up of the boss' anima tank for as long as possible. The Siegecrafter Blackfuse fight where a team has to detach from the raid and hop onto the conveyor belt and destroy 1 or 2 out of 3 inventions, and the surviving invention does something to the raid (ie a magnet that pulls the raid towards AoEs). Operator Thogar where you're having to dodge incoming trains. The Sylvanas fight where you're chasing her across the giant chains. Etc. I haven't seen any cool fights like this outside of maybe Sakura Wars 5 and the Valkyria Chronicles games.

Since you're a weeb(no offense intended) and therefore probably like DRPGs, and happen to like World of Warcraft, I have a strong feeling you'd like this game:


Incredibly underrated imo. It's hard to explain exactly what it is, but imagine controlling a WoW party with RTwP combat and WoW raid boss design.

[wndrbr]

I should play Risen, I only played 2 & 3, but not 1.

Risen 1 was Piranha Bytes' best combat system by far, it's baffling that they've ditched it in favor of Risen 2's dogshit clickfest.

[rusty_shackleford]

I should play Risen, I only played 2 & 3, but not 1.

Risen 1 was Piranha Bytes' best combat system by far, it's baffling that they've ditched it in favor of Risen 2's dogshit clickfest.

Yes, but, it has no companions

[logincrash]

But once you get 200 or so guys and elite units, the game pretty much devolves into archer spam or leading cavalry charges as a death ball and smashing into the enemy over and over. The castle assaults are the worst as everyone walks up a ramp in a singlefile line getting mowed down by archers.

That's the most realistic part of the game.
Also, I used to be a spearfag on the "sword vs spear" question until my M&B character was beaten to death by a mob of peasants because he couldn't swing his spear effectively.

[Tweed]

I should play Risen, I only played 2 & 3, but not 1.

Risen 1 was Piranha Bytes' best combat system by far, it's baffling that they've ditched it in favor of Risen 2's dogshit clickfest.

Risen 2 is definitely several steps backwards, still not as bad as Risen 3 where all you need to kill anything at any level is a companion and they give you Bones right out of the gate.

[The_Mask]

I want some more opinions on action RPGs

It's a toss up between Gothic 2 and Dark Souls. With the caveat that I haven't played Elden Ring, yet.

[Irenaeus]

Also, I used to be a spearfag on the "sword vs spear" question until my M&B character was beaten to death by a mob of peasants because he couldn't swing his spear effectively.

A single spear is a terrible weapon against a mob of peasants, it's hard to swing it around like a sword and terrify the fainthearted peasants leading to a morale fail and full rout.
Well, I guess you learned it.

[rusty_shackleford]

Historically, the most common weapon used by bodyguards was a two-handed sword. Make of that what you will.

[Vaako]

When it comes to mmorpgs I would say Dark Age of Camelot. Positional styles, after block/parry/evade styles, casters get hard rupted through attacks mostly, so you need to position your self right. Lots of debuffs/statuses, mezz=sleep, root can last for almost 1minute if you dont have resist or the right realm abilities. So quite tactical too. But population/balance is kinda dead on live servers. Some freeshards still active game should be 20+ years old by now. Group limit is 8 and good players can certainly take 2-3 times their numbers with the right classes. Learning curve is quite high, especially when it comes to templating your toons.

[logincrash]

Historically, the most common weapon used by bodyguards was a two-handed sword. Make of that what you will.

Yeah, it's much easier to do crowd control if you have a giant sword to swing around and if your intention is to keep people away rather than kill them.

[WaterMage]

As far as shooty pooty goes, Fallout 4 is probably the best tbh.

What?! Their guns are trash.

This is FL4 assault rifle



Fallout new vegas did guns in a much better way and better progression with guns. You start the game with a bolt action rusty 556 rifle and progress to get a 556 carbine and later, can get LMG's and scoped carbines using the same ammo from the beginning of the game, having much better weapons that would't deal 61565x damage. A lot of iconic historical weapons like M1 Garant, brush gun in .45-70, Thompson SMG in a DLC, revolvers in .357 magnum and .44 magnum. You can use tons of different ammo types, including dragon breath rounds in your shotgun and explosive .50 bmg in the AMR.

Meanwhile in FL4 a 9mm SMG can outdps a .50 rifle against heavy armored enemies due the stupid percentage damage absorption.

I`m a huge FPS fan and hated guns in FL4.

[Vlajdimir Ermenović]

ELEKX!!

[rusty_shackleford]

As far as shooty pooty goes, Fallout 4 is probably the best tbh.

What?! Their guns are trash.

This is FL4 assault rifle



Fallout new vegas did guns in a much better way and better progression with guns. You start the game with a bolt action rusty 556 rifle and progress to get a 556 carbine and later, can get LMG's and scoped carbines using the same ammo from the beginning of the game, having much better weapons that would't deal 61565x damage. A lot of iconic historical weapons like M1 Garant, brush gun in .45-70, Thompson SMG in a DLC, revolvers in .357 magnum and .44 magnum. You can use tons of different ammo types, including dragon breath rounds in your shotgun and explosive .50 bmg in the AMR.

Meanwhile in FL4 a 9mm SMG can outdps a .50 rifle against heavy armored enemies due the stupid percentage damage absorption.

I`m a huge FPS fan and hated guns in FL4.

FO4 has the better actual shooting mechanics, mostly because they had the idtech guys come and work on it for them.

[Xenich]

I want some more opinions on action RPGs

Victor Vran had satisfying combat that should be emulated in other similar games.
As far as shooty pooty goes, Fallout 4 is probably the best tbh. Doesn't really have any competition I can think of.
Dragon's Dogma has decent action combat, but the game is so repetitive.
I recall Divinity 2 TDKS having good combat, but it has been a while. Fun game.

I actually liked Oblivion's combat, it was serviceable.

For action combat with pause, Aarklash & Tower of Time are quite good.

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I should play Risen, I only played 2 & 3, but not 1.

/mouth drops

Really? I envy you, the game is fantastic. Risen 2 & 3 are complete garbage compared to 1. Risen 1 is closer to Gothic 1/2 than it is to Risen 2/3. I liked the story and it has all the gothic style features of factions and various layered questlines and options, etc...

[rusty_shackleford]

I want some more opinions on action RPGs

Victor Vran had satisfying combat that should be emulated in other similar games.
As far as shooty pooty goes, Fallout 4 is probably the best tbh. Doesn't really have any competition I can think of.
Dragon's Dogma has decent action combat, but the game is so repetitive.
I recall Divinity 2 TDKS having good combat, but it has been a while. Fun game.

I actually liked Oblivion's combat, it was serviceable.

For action combat with pause, Aarklash & Tower of Time are quite good.

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I should play Risen, I only played 2 & 3, but not 1.

/mouth drops

Really? I envy you, the game is fantastic. Risen 2 & 3 are complete garbage compared to 1. Risen 1 is closer to Gothic 1/2 than it is to Risen 2/3. I liked the story and it has all the gothic style features of factions and various layered questlines and options, etc...

I rarely play RPGs that don't have companions

[Xenich]

As far as shooty pooty goes, Fallout 4 is probably the best tbh.

What?! Their guns are trash.

This is FL4 assault rifle



Fallout new vegas did guns in a much better way and better progression with guns. You start the game with a bolt action rusty 556 rifle and progress to get a 556 carbine and later, can get LMG's and scoped carbines using the same ammo from the beginning of the game, having much better weapons that would't deal 61565x damage. A lot of iconic historical weapons like M1 Garant, brush gun in .45-70, Thompson SMG in a DLC, revolvers in .357 magnum and .44 magnum. You can use tons of different ammo types, including dragon breath rounds in your shotgun and explosive .50 bmg in the AMR.

Meanwhile in FL4 a 9mm SMG can outdps a .50 rifle against heavy armored enemies due the stupid percentage damage absorption.

I`m a huge FPS fan and hated guns in FL4.

Looks like a bug sprayer.

[Xenich]

Victor Vran had satisfying combat that should be emulated in other similar games.
As far as shooty pooty goes, Fallout 4 is probably the best tbh. Doesn't really have any competition I can think of.
Dragon's Dogma has decent action combat, but the game is so repetitive.
I recall Divinity 2 TDKS having good combat, but it has been a while. Fun game.

I actually liked Oblivion's combat, it was serviceable.

For action combat with pause, Aarklash & Tower of Time are quite good.

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I should play Risen, I only played 2 & 3, but not 1.

/mouth drops

Really? I envy you, the game is fantastic. Risen 2 & 3 are complete garbage compared to 1. Risen 1 is closer to Gothic 1/2 than it is to Risen 2/3. I liked the story and it has all the gothic style features of factions and various layered questlines and options, etc...

I rarely play RPGs that don't have companions

Well, this one is worth the play.

Risen 2 is console garbage where they removed the best things about Risen 1 and put in all the typical gimmicks of mainstream consoles, and well... Pirates theme! Arrg cuz Hollywood! Not to mention, they walled off a lot of the play, again moving away from Gothic style.

Risen 3 is mainstream wannabe Assassins creed, on rails, lots of PC crap, etc...

When I consider that company, I look at Gothic, Gothic II and Risen I as their games (well, maybe Elex as well, it wasn't bad). Everything else is... well.. something else.

[bloodedhunter]

Still don't believe that RPG's have moved past KOTOR 2 in terms of storytelling or combat.

Instead developers have made the combat more tedious than ever like in FF7 rebirth and removed the importance of gear management. I'd rather just have a decent build going off reading the item stats in my inventory that can delete most enemies easily as my reward for taking the time to read all that shit, than be expected to button mash so much it gives me carpal tunnel even faster than diablo could and also be nagged at about the power of friendship or some other gay shit that insinuates you can't ever accomplish something by yourself on your own merit. Companions? You mean exposition dumping machines that do fuck all in combat? At least KOTOR 2's cast was generally likeable and relatable.

[rusty_shackleford]

Still don't believe that RPG's have moved past KOTOR 2 in terms of storytelling or combat.

You should replay kotor 2, the combat was never good, even for its time.

[Vlajdimir Ermenović]

Still don't believe that RPG's have moved past KOTOR 2 in terms of storytelling or combat.

You should replay kotor 2, the combat was never good, even for its time.

For its time? It came after icewind dale. What about its time warrants forgiveness?