Hooray: Shitty gamedevs being fired thread

[Roguey]

Nope. Is the closest thing to a modern FL1/2 successor.

If you're talking Fallout, Tim Cain has alluded to it by saying he doesn't like games where you're required to powergame.

"If I have to go online to figure out how to spend my level up point or I have to use a spreadsheet to figure it out at that point I'm usually like 'I'm done.'"

[wndrbr]

Tim Gayn also loved fallout show, so let's not take his opinion as a gospel.

[rusty_shackleford]

Underrail is an aggressively mediocre game masquerading as a good game.

Nope. Is the closest thing to a modern FL1/2 successor. With the best armor merchanics in any RPG. The unique problem of UR is cooldowns. They are also the unique game who did naval combat great in expedition.

Level scaled loot, respawning enemies, having to waste real-life time to wait for merchants to restock, the inventory itself, …
And these are just things off the top of my head years after playing it.

There's also not a single memorable faction or character in the game. At least, not one I can remember.

[rusty_shackleford]

Nope. Is the closest thing to a modern FL1/2 successor.

If you're talking Fallout, Tim Cain has alluded to it by saying he doesn't like games where you're required to powergame.

"If I have to go online to figure out how to spend my level up point or I have to use a spreadsheet to figure it out at that point I'm usually like 'I'm done.'"

None of them will admit to it, but there's a reason most people playing on dominating use the classic XP system. It's because they go farm respawning mobs to level up like it's a JRPG.

[Roguey]

Tim Gayn also loved fallout show, so let's not take his opinion as a gospel.

Oh sure, but within the games itself, while planning your character in advance is necessary to make the best possible character, it's absolutely not required. You can complete them with the three presets which aren't exactly min/maxed. If you try to make a role-playing build in Underrail, you're going to run into a brickwall eventually.

[Shillitron]

https://www.ign.com/articles/microsoft- ... t-bethesda

Microsoft Closes Redfall Developer Arkane Austin, Hi-Fi Rush Developer Tango Gameworks, and More in Devastating Cuts at Bethesda

Seriously @rusty_shackleford can we start a wall of shame?

2023 - 2024 has been a pure net positive for gaming. The purging forest fire continues to grow.

[Breathe]

Underrail is an aggressively mediocre game masquerading as a good game.

Dafuq does this mean?

[wndrbr]

Underrail is an aggressively mediocre game masquerading as a good game.

Dafuq does this mean?

rusty hates Underrail because he's a contrarian.

[Rand]

Underrail is an aggressively mediocre game masquerading as a good game.

Nope. Is the closest thing to a modern FL1/2 successor. With the best armor merchanics in any RPG. The unique problem of UR is cooldowns. They are also the unique game who did naval combat great in expedition.

WTF is FL1/2 ?

[WaterMage]

WTF is FL1/2 ?

Fallout 1/2.

But when he says that UR is "mediocre" if compared to modern games, is a masterpiece. If compared to 90s RPG`s, median, so he is not completely wrong.

People have different standards of what good and bad is.

[rusty_shackleford]

Underrail is an aggressively mediocre game masquerading as a good game.

Dafuq does this mean?

rusty hates Underrail because he's a contrarian.

If the game wasn't made by a slav nobody would have cared.

[anonusername]

WTF is FL1/2 ?

Fallout 1/2.

But when he says that UR is "mediocre" if compared to modern games, is a masterpiece. If compared to 90s RPG`s, median, so he is not completely wrong.

People have different standards of what good and bad is.

Underrail is pretty good if you use cheat engine to make the merchant restock timer less gay and remove the level scaling on the loot. The latter one required decompiling and reverse engineering the code though, which is complete ass to do on every update. Level scaled weapons are just trash anyway. What does having Sniper Rifle Lvl 1 and Sniper Rifle Lvl 40 add to the game? It just allows game devs to save the time that would have been required to actually make multiple precision rifles and itemize them properly.

[Rigwort]

This is, of course, ignoring the fact that many of the employees are unfit for the job they have or were hired for reasons unrelated to merit.

I think this is might play a role, but even untalented people and unlearned people can pull through on a job. I think the real problem is that we're trying to treat the games industry like it's any other industry. People actually want to have a 40 hr schedule with proper time off and slack like they're some kind of plant operator. I think the industry needs to remember that it's an inhuman devotion to your game that drives it forward and makes it the best. This treatment of work as that thing you do for money.

[WaterMage]

If the game wasn't made by a slav nobody would have cared.

is not as if everyone worships bugfests like Cyberbug 2077 only because it was made by Slavs. However, people tends to have positive opinion towards slavic games by a reason. slavs make better games. The best Baldur`s Gate successor? Pathfinder Kingmaker, made by Slavs(Russians). The best fallout 1/2 successor? UnderRail. Made by Slavs(Serb), The best Morrowind successor? Tainted Grail : The fall of Avalon(still in early access). Made by Slavs(Poles). KDC? Slavs(Czechs). And even looking to the worst games. Nothing produced in Slavic lands is reaching even close to Forspoken tier.

[Roguey]

Lilura is not totally incorrect about Underrail https://lilura1.blogspot.com/2017/03/Underrail.html

[DagothGeas5]

If the game wasn't made by a slav nobody would have cared.

is not as if everyone worships bugfests like Cyberbug 2077 only because it was made by Slavs. However, people tends to have positive opinion towards slavic games by a reason. slavs make better games. The best Baldur`s Gate successor? Pathfinder Kingmaker, made by Slavs(Russians). The best fallout 1/2 successor? UnderRail. Made by Slavs(Serb), The best Morrowind successor? Tainted Grail : The fall of Avalon(still in early access). Made by Slavs(Poles). KDC? Slavs(Czechs). And even looking to the worst games. Nothing produced in Slavic lands is reaching even close to Forspoken tier.

Not sure if related, but it reminds me of how people also are fascinated these days with nordic mythology (or their fantasy versions of it) and "nordic music" (what they believe vikings sang and played), or saying they have "viking blood in their veins" without fully understanding what viking even means. It's like some sort of craze.

[gerey]

The best fallout 1/2 successor?

By that I hope you mean Fallout 1.5 and Fallout of Nevada.

Made by Slavs(Serb)

Serbs are Turks in denial.

I think the reason why Slav-made games usually get a pass is that "jank" is expected in their games, so much like audiences being willing to ignore bugs in Bethesda games, a certain lack of polish is to be forgiven in games made by East Europeans. In the past there was also the fact so many of them were trying to create spiritual successors to fan favorites like Fallout, Gothic, HoMM etc.,

These attempts usually ended up in failure, but with the Western developers not even bothering to give it a go, Slavjank is all people had.

Not sure if related, but it reminds me of how people also are fascinated these days with nordic mythology

I think it's more an attempt by Marxists to taint Norse mythology by pozzing it up. Fascination with Norse and Greek myths is nothing new, they're quite likely two of the most well-known and popular pantheons in the world.

[anonusername]

If the game wasn't made by a slav nobody would have cared.

is not as if everyone worships bugfests like Cyberbug 2077 only because it was made by Slavs. However, people tends to have positive opinion towards slavic games by a reason. slavs make better games. The best Baldur`s Gate successor? Pathfinder Kingmaker, made by Slavs(Russians). The best fallout 1/2 successor? UnderRail. Made by Slavs(Serb), The best Morrowind successor? Tainted Grail : The fall of Avalon(still in early access). Made by Slavs(Poles). KDC? Slavs(Czechs). And even looking to the worst games. Nothing produced in Slavic lands is reaching even close to Forspoken tier.

> The best Baldur`s Gate successor? Pathfinder Kingmaker

Opinion discarded.

[J1M]

If the game wasn't made by a slav nobody would have cared.

is not as if everyone worships bugfests like Cyberbug 2077 only because it was made by Slavs. However, people tends to have positive opinion towards slavic games by a reason. slavs make better games. The best Baldur`s Gate successor? Pathfinder Kingmaker, made by Slavs(Russians). The best fallout 1/2 successor? UnderRail. Made by Slavs(Serb), The best Morrowind successor? Tainted Grail : The fall of Avalon(still in early access). Made by Slavs(Poles). KDC? Slavs(Czechs). And even looking to the worst games. Nothing produced in Slavic lands is reaching even close to Forspoken tier.

I accept your point. They are pretty good at copying things designed in North America.

[WaterMage]

hey are pretty good at copying things designed in North America.

Better than corrupting things made in older North America. Compare Awoed with Tainted Grail : The fall of Avalon.

> The best Baldur`s Gate successor? Pathfinder Kingmaker

Opinion discarded.

What is the best spiritual successor in your opinion? Pillars? Siege of the Dragonspear?

Fascination with Norse and Greek myths is nothing new, they're quite likely two of the most well-known and popular pantheons in the world.

YES!!! Neo Marxists love to corrupt everything.

[1998]

> The best Baldur`s Gate successor? Pathfinder Kingmaker

Opinion discarded.

What is the best spiritual successor in your opinion? Pillars? Siege of the Dragonspear?

I mean I liked Kingmaker, but I am not sure how other than rtwp its close to BG, especially once all the kingdom management kicks in. Black Geysir is probably closer to BG1 than Kingmaker.

[Roguey]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/new ... ructuring/

Square Enix confirms US, EU layoffs as part of restructuring

Publishing, IT, and Square Enix’s Collective indie games label are affected

Good stuff.

[anonusername]

What is the best spiritual successor in your opinion? Pillars? Siege of the Dragonspear?

Icewind Dale ;P
More seriously, I don't think I've seen a major RPG that plays like a sequel to BG. Certainly not if you limit it to the last decade of games. Most of the infinity engine clones are just bad nostalgia bait. Maybe some of the more niche 3.5 stuff like KotC2 is qualified (I haven't played KotC2 yet.). I'm not sure anything 3.5 can really be a "spiritual successor" to BG though. 3.5 is too focused on buildfaggotry and is just generally quite different from ADnD. KotC2 doesn't even mention BG, but ToEE. I think Colony Ship might actually be closer to BG than Kingmaker or Pillars are though, lmao.

EDIT: The big difference between ToEE 3.5 style games and BG is the focus on build design and clearing what is essentially a single dungeon with a bunch of mechanically challenging encounters. BG had a simpler character build system, a more open world adventure game design, and RPG combat and itemization. It also lacked a lot of the anti-frustration mechanics introduced in later editions such as being able to just tank poisons with a high enough HP or ability score. Even level drain is less scary in newer editions. 4 and 5e are particularly bad about this.

EDIT2: https://www.enworld.org/threads/lethali ... on.698685/

[rusty_shackleford]

I enjoyed pillows of eternity more than kangmaker

[Tweed]

Rusty has very bad taste, stop acting so shocked.

[rusty_shackleford]

Rusty has very bad taste, stop acting so shocked.

what was your favorite part of kangmaker?
was it when the female barbarian was your DOMMY MOMMY?
or was it when the PURE DEVOUT VIRGIN was actually a whore?

[edit]
no, wait, I bet it was the elf bicycle in the open relationship with the orc

[Tweed]

Rusty has very bad taste, stop acting so shocked.

what was your favorite part of kangmaker?
was it when the female barbarian was your DOMMY MOMMY?
or was it when the PURE DEVOUT VIRGIN was actually a whore?

[edit]
no, wait, I bet it was the elf bicycle in the open relationship with the orc

I haven't played it yet.

[WaterMage]

what was your favorite part of kangmaker?

When I could OHK enemies with spells that works as powerful as in P&P. My cloudkill actually lasted more than a couple of seconds and damaged enemy CON contrary to Pillars "malignant cloud". I dint had to read endless lore about deities that I dont care.

female barbarian

That is disliked by her village, fails at every challenge that she imposes upon herself, like most of overly masculine woman do.

or was it when the PURE DEVOUT VIRGIN was actually a whore?

She hides her past like many woman do IRL.

ot sure how other than rtwp its close to BG

In the sense that they are trying to adapt a TT fantasy into CRPG with RtWP. Sure, has differences like kingdom management.

But by not having a lot of Sawyerism ruining it is great.

I completed the game on unfair with pure role play builds like Thassilonian specialist, the worst Wiz subclass

[J1M]

Rusty has very bad taste, stop acting so shocked.

what was your favorite part of kangmaker?
was it when the female barbarian was your DOMMY MOMMY?
or was it when the PURE DEVOUT VIRGIN was actually a whore?

[edit]
no, wait, I bet it was the elf bicycle in the open relationship with the orc

Most of my time was spent in the character creator planning builds. Only made it to level 3 in the actual game.

[Segata]

Sony closes down another studio (what do they have left? Californians?). With this, the remains of Psygnosis are completely gone. Not like they did anything of worth after Psygnosis.