General Computer Hardware Thread

[GhostCow]

I just got my first VA panel monitor a few days ago and I'd like to sperg about it a bit.


I ended up getting the INNOCN 27G1S that I posted a review of a few weeks ago in IRC and it's easily the best monitor I've ever owned. Compared to my old IPS panel, which was really high end, the ViewSonic ELITE XG270 which I paid over $400 for, the colors are way better. Probably because this one is color calibrated at the factory. I remember watching a particular anime on my old monitor where one of the girls had orange hair on my screen, but everyone in the show would say she had brown hair. On my new monitor her hair is actually brown. The colors seem a little muted and don't "pop" the way they did on my old monitor though. I'm not sure if this is a difference between VA and IPS or if it's just a difference in brightness.


The contrast is insane. Blacks actually look black. I also can't find any angle where the monitor looks different from looking at it from straight in front of it even though VA panels are supposed to have worse viewing angles. Overall I'd rate it 10/10 and I'm really happy that I was able to get a refurbished one for $155. Even brand new this monitor is under $300 if you buy direct from INNOCN or happen to catch it on sale on Amazon.

[Red7]

so is it better than crt?
are u sure your brighting settings were not too high on old stuff? it should be under 5% of led power i think.

also
im looking for good panels in 16x10 and 4x3 ratio. they dont seem to make those anymore ppl too stupid for em and use inferior panoramic trash
anyone knows company that makes this shit link it

[GhostCow]

Nothing is better than crt. This is better than IPS though.

No one really makes panels with thoae aspect ratios anymore so good luck on that.

[Rand]

I miss really good large CRT monitors with near infinite fractional resolution.
I don't miss them drawing obscene amounts of power and weighing as much as a large child.

[GhostCow]

I don't give a shit about how much CRTs weigh. Give me a CRT that I need to lift with a crane if it can be a 27-32 inch 2:1 4k or 8k panel

[rusty_shackleford]

hated CRTs

[Red7]

only issue i had with crts is the magnetic bullshit and screen deformation over time


with current tech they should make custom panels that glue to wall like wallpaper already
fucking wage slaves and commie states retard progress to justify their existence

[Red7]

at east 16;10 ffs i hate 16;9

[PayStation]

Just read the original post. You bought an IPS gaming monitor and then complained about its image quality and color accuracy. IPS monitors are known for their good response time and high refresh rate but may have lower image quality compared to monitors at the same price point that focus more on image quality. It's typical for consumers to choose the wrong product and then blame it.

[Segata]

Return to tradition (Cathode Ray Tube monitors)

[GhostCow]

Just read the original post. You bought an IPS gaming monitor and then complained about its image quality and color accuracy. IPS monitors are known for their good response time and high refresh rate but may have lower image quality compared to monitors at the same price point that focus more on image quality. It's typical for consumers to choose the wrong product and then blame it.

Are you retarded? Ips is supposed to be the best for good color between tn, ips, and va. TN is the panel type with the fastest refresh rates.

[Red7]

Just read the original post. You bought an IPS gaming monitor and then complained about its image quality and color accuracy. IPS monitors are known for their good response time and high refresh rate but may have lower image quality compared to monitors at the same price point that focus more on image quality. It's typical for consumers to choose the wrong product and then blame it.

said fagstation user

[PayStation]

Are you retarded? Ips is supposed to be the best for good color between tn, ips, and va. TN is the panel type with the fastest refresh rates.

But you bought a Gaming IPS panel. Did you know they tweak those panels for low response time (as low as TN) but suffer from poor color accuracy? Of course, you did not know, and that's why you complained about the image quality of your old monitor here, which is what I wanted to point out.

[Oyster Sauce]

Amazes me that every type of monitor is still fucking trash in its own unique way

[Xenich]

at east 16;10 ffs i hate 16;9

Depends on your distance to the screen, but I get it.

I have the CHG90, and while I like it for some games, I have found it to be a little annoying (at least on general setup and config for some games). Nothing DXWND or running it black barred at a lower rez can't fix, but the UI's don't always work well and FFS, what idiot creates a resolution option for 32:9 and then puts the UI at the far edges of the screen? Damn near take out your neck trying to play some of those games.

[Xenich]

Return to tradition (Cathode Ray Tube monitors)

I actually loved them. I had a 22 inch around 2000 and I loved being able to swap resolutions on the fly and retain quality (it had a very good dot pitch because it was used for CAD work). I however did not enjoy the trips to LAN parties as it weighed over 60 lbs.

[GhostCow]

Decided I wanted a smaller computer with faster ethernet, so I replaced my motherboard, case, PSU (It was 11 years old), and CPU cooler since someday this computer will replace my HTPC and I don't want a water pump breaking on it. Going from a Lian Li PC-O11DX to the Asus ap201 made a huge difference in the weight of my computer even though micro atx is barely smaller than a mid tower. I'm pretty happy with it except for the fans on the cooler are loud as hell. I went with the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE. If anyone is considering this air cooler, I highly recommend getting some noctua fans for it. I also found it kind of annoying that Asus only includes one fan with this case and that the fan they include doesn't even have PWM. Very cheap of them. Thankfully I still had 9 fans with PWM from the old case so I just used those. Probably should have pulled the 3 fans off my AIO and put them on the air cooler, but I'm not about the take this whole computer apart just to do that. I'll live with it as it is.

[GhostCow]

Need to complain a bit. So on my new motherboard it only detects my second M.2 SSD sometimes for... reasons. Looks like I'm joining the ranks of people who never turn their computer off until I build my next PC later in the year. Very annoying.

Random question. At what point do you guys think gaming hardware is "good enough"? This is my opinion:
<GhostCow> Need 5090 to come out so I can build a new PC and use this one to replace my HTPC in the living room. It won't need a second SSD at that point
<Gregz> What on God's green earth do you need a 5090 for?
<GhostCow> I need 1000fps with ray tracing on and no upscaling like DLSS. That's like the end game for gaming where hardware is finally "good enough" imo
<Gregz> okay then
<GhostCow> Also add 8k to that list

[nyxnyx]

if you're looking to play new titles, then there's no such thing as 'good enough' hardware - raytracing is made to scale infinitely, so they'll just keep on stacking new light sources as hardware gets more and more capable, and this isn't just a matter of visual quality but also workflow speed as true 'endgame' from dev standpoint is to eliminate the need for baked-in lighting altogether and instead rely entirely on real-time light sources; this holds true for most other new features as well like lumen and HLOD in UE5 which dramatically speed up the development process but come at huge hardware cost (those two are in fact the mail culprits for Gray Zone Warfare having such dogshit performance in particular - and it's only a taste of things to come).

long story short: game developers are becoming talentless lazy fucks - and that laziness will drive future hardware requirements as opposed to actual jumps in visual fidelity like in the past.

[GhostCow]

Yeah, I meant with entirely ray traced lighting when I mentioned ray tracing. It's not devs being lazy, although that would probably speed up dev time. It's actually a big jump in graphics. Better lighting, reflections, and shadows adds a lot

[nyxnyx]

it really comes down to how well implemented it is, and how much the environment design itself can benefit from it (CP77 and Control are probably the best examples of that, and both were basically promoted as raytracing tech demos by Nvidia).

you can find numerous examples of games from around 2010 where they relied entirely on baked-in lighting and achieved far better results that many newer titles that tacked on raytracing to save on development time - or simply because it's a trendy new feature, like Elden Ring where they slapped raytraced shadows and ambient occlusion and didn't bother optimizing the assets for them at all, so places like dense forests will neuter your FPS even on 4090 because all those billboard textures on trees cause raytracing to go completely apeshit.

[Xenich]

if you're looking to play new titles, then there's no such thing as 'good enough' hardware - raytracing is made to scale infinitely, so they'll just keep on stacking new light sources as hardware gets more and more capable, and this isn't just a matter of visual quality but also workflow speed as true 'endgame' from dev standpoint is to eliminate the need for baked-in lighting altogether and instead rely entirely on real-time light sources; this holds true for most other new features as well like lumen and HLOD in UE5 which dramatically speed up the development process but come at huge hardware cost (those two are in fact the mail culprits for Gray Zone Warfare having such dogshit performance in particular - and it's only a taste of things to come).

long story short: game developers are becoming talentless lazy fucks - and that laziness will drive future hardware requirements as opposed to actual jumps in visual fidelity like in the past.

I have a rig that is 5 years old and still runs most games at max settings. I only just began to see some slow downs when I moved to triple monitors at 7650x1440 resolution and even then, just some minor tweaks to the settings and it runs smooth. I figure I can get a few more years out of this (maybe a lot more due to the fact that most new games are garbage anyway) before I need to do some upgrades.

Besides, most of the new tech is just fancy crap on really shitty models anyway, so if I were going to be picky about things I wouldn't be playing the game in the first place.