2023 RPG of the Year Poll

[TKVNC]

Why Baldur's Gate 3?

Because generally speaking, Fantasy beats most other settings. Despite it's many flaws, it's still a pretty passable game, and with enough effort you can make it into something at least tolerable.

Naturally it's not as open-ended as a TTRPG, but if you have no friends that want to play TTRPG's, then what choice do you have?

*Edit, spelling.

are you a real person? answer honestly

I guess that depends on how many times you want me to say the Gamer Word, really.

[Segata]

Someone lolcowed and gave Forespoken 1 vote. Starfield? Still sitting at a fantastically round goose egg.

Huh, @Atlantico had voted for Starfield initially but he changed his vote to CoL

Todd bros... we fell for FALSE ADVERTISING

[Atlantico]

Someone lolcowed and gave Forespoken 1 vote. Starfield? Still sitting at a fantastically round goose egg.

Huh, @Atlantico had voted for Starfield initially but he changed his vote to CoL

Todd bros... we fell for FALSE ADVERTISING

Can't trust anyone anymore. Todd has a knife in the back.

But was it mine or was it Rusty's?

[rusty_shackleford]

This is how you end up with bullshit "collect 500 pelts" and "kill 500 goblins" quests that waste everyones time. I'd take an excellent 20 hour game over a 100 hour game that's been padded with time killers.

What's really happening is you will get the 20-hour game, with quests like "collect 500 pelts" and "kill 500 goblins," especially in the indie scene.
Compare that to BG3, which is well over 80 hours long for one playthrough, no trash encounters, and has the best quest design I've ever seen.
We used to have 50+ hour games fitting on one or two floppy disks too before; there's no such thing as games being too long.

Ah yes, as opposed to ass creed literally making you collect 500 feathers/whatever and taking forever to beat, where if you could just do the important missions the games are like 10 hours. No game is too long if it is a masterpiece but that causes less than stellar games to try to extend playtime and make the game even worse.

I can probably list more good long RPGs than short ones tbh.
Depending on where you stand on Vogel's games, that's more than the entirety of good short RPGs altogether.

There are tabletop campaigns people have been playing for decades. RPGs do not become bad because they're long. They can be bad if padding is used to lengthen them, sure. But RPGs naturally lend themselves to being long.

[Konjad]

Vogel's games have too much grind, I could never get into them. I only ever finished the first Geneforge but despite liking the game otherwise the constant grind made me give up with sequels.

[rusty_shackleford]

I can probably list more good long RPGs than short ones tbh.

Just my personal preference and surely missing many:
Tales of Maj'Eyal, Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2, Nu Vegas, Fallout 2, ADOM, BG3, DOS1, DOS2, Wiz8, DAO, KCD, Underrail, Archolos, Wasteland 2, Wasteland 3, ATOM(can be lengthy), Ultima VII, ELEX, Gothic 2, World of Xeen. Probably others.
I recall Might & Magic 6 & 7 being rather long but can't recall just how long right now.

This is assuming a full completion: as much as can be done in my single playthrough. I don't half-ass games when I play them.

In terms of short games, I feel like I'd just be listing games that were originally envisioned as part of a larger series and therefore don't make excellent standalone titles but decent series. Fallout is an exception, I suppose. Gothic feels very much like — for lack of a better word — a prototype for Gothic 2. I'd be very pressed to list more short games than Gothic, Fallout, & Mass Effect that I rank similarly to those games.

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I think storyfags prefer shorter games tbh. I don't get the right sense of adventure from them.

[Konjad]

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I think storyfags prefer shorter games tbh. I don't get the right sense of adventure from them.

I enjoy good stories and consider it better if they are long. However, very often long games do not have good stories throughout and the late game is just filler. So your assumption might be wrong, but I can only speak for myself.

[rusty_shackleford]

I suspect a lot of RPGs will be considered both short and long depending on how much side content you do. Truly good RPGs that are short even when completing all content is probably not that common.

[Roguey]

I think storyfags prefer shorter games tbh. I don't get the right sense of adventure from them.

That is me. A lot of the RPGs I prefer can be completed within 30 hours: Fallout, Deus Ex, Jagged Alliance 2: Unfinished Business, Bloodlines, Mask of the Betrayer, Alpha Protocol, Dungeon Siege III, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Mars: War Logs, South Park, Shadowrun Returns, Dragonfall, Hong Kong, Woke West.

[Lhynn]

ToME isnt exactly long. each given playthrough is usually short.

[Oldtimer]

@Oldtimer, I think you accidentally reported a post you meant to reply to.

Very possible. And now I don't even remember what it was...

[rusty_shackleford]

ToME isnt exactly long. each given playthrough is usually short.

Lhynn just admitting he sucks at it

[maidenhaver]

What's really happening is you will get the 20-hour game, with quests like "collect 500 pelts" and "kill 500 goblins," especially in the indie scene.
Compare that to BG3, which is well over 80 hours long for one playthrough, no trash encounters, and has the best quest design I've ever seen.
We used to have 50+ hour games fitting on one or two floppy disks too before; there's no such thing as games being too long.

Ah yes, as opposed to ass creed literally making you collect 500 feathers/whatever and taking forever to beat, where if you could just do the important missions the games are like 10 hours. No game is too long if it is a masterpiece but that causes less than stellar games to try to extend playtime and make the game even worse.

I can probably list more good long RPGs than short ones tbh.
Depending on where you stand on Vogel's games, that's more than the entirety of good short RPGs altogether.

There are tabletop campaigns people have been playing for decades. RPGs do not become bad because they're long. They can be bad if padding is used to lengthen them, sure. But RPGs naturally lend themselves to being long.

Don't you cheat and speed hack though?

[rusty_shackleford]

Ah yes, as opposed to ass creed literally making you collect 500 feathers/whatever and taking forever to beat, where if you could just do the important missions the games are like 10 hours. No game is too long if it is a masterpiece but that causes less than stellar games to try to extend playtime and make the game even worse.

I can probably list more good long RPGs than short ones tbh.
Depending on where you stand on Vogel's games, that's more than the entirety of good short RPGs altogether.

There are tabletop campaigns people have been playing for decades. RPGs do not become bad because they're long. They can be bad if padding is used to lengthen them, sure. But RPGs naturally lend themselves to being long.

Don't you cheat and speed hack though?

only games like drakensang
anyone who has played drakensang will understand

[Mortmal]

Drakensang is a really sad example. It comes from a very well-established tabletop system, very complex, and could offer a very deep RPG experience. It has decent artwork and animations, and technically, it was good. But no, they had to use that with a real-time with pause system without any tactical depth and made it as generic and bland as possible instead of fully utilizing Nordic lore and folklore.