List of woke and non-woke role-playing games

[Roguey]

The most sympathetic faction that the majority of people join is a group of white nationalists.

Could you explain it in some greater detail? Did you mean to say that in the game there is a faction, which could serve as an allegory for white nationalists? I don't think you meant it in the literal sense. Either way, both would be pretty shocking to see in an Obsidian game.

The Disfavored are one big happy ethnonationalist family.

The Disfavored are an elite unit that recruits only Northerners. The underlying idea is to ensure that every member of the legion is tied to each other not just through their oaths of fealty, but also blood. Families that stood beside Ashe as he faced Kyros and bent knee together with him are highly respected, although their members are expected to hold their own.

Graven Ashe and his legion consider themselves to be the defenders of civilization fighting against barbaric hordes, believing that the end justifies the means. As a result, the Disfavored are ruthless in their conduct towards the enemy and conquered populations, giving no quarter. Prisoners of war are conscripted as working slaves or put to the sword, villages are put under martial law with capital punishment being common, and any defiance is punished by collective reprisals and destruction of property - up to and including destroying entire towns.

"I must not racemix. I must not racemix," - Barik

[Vergil]

So what youre saying is there is an acceptable ration between animal and human features that is acceptable

Yes there is. I think there's an extremely huge difference between a character that is 100% physically human in every way except they have horns and a character that is 100% physically an animal.

Riddle me this
As of June 2021, only Hawaii, New Mexico, West Virginia, and Wyoming did not have laws against bestiality.
That means the rest of states have laws against it
It's considered either a felony or a misdemeanor, doesn't matter. It's illegal
This also include recording and distribution of bestiality

AFAIK that option to romance Halsin that way still exists in the US release

You can't even begin to imagine how little a legal argument based on US law means to me. The age of consent laws used to be on average around 10-12 in the United States and it wouldn't be any less morally wrong to sleep with a child just because it was "legal".

Both narratively and technically it's not bestiality, because it's a bunch of pixels if a non-existent man magically turning into a bear to fuck you off-screen (which is implied), if you really want to argue that far

It's still a depiction of bestiality and "narratively" it's still your character being sexually attracted to and engaging in sexual activities with a physical animal.

If still that's bestiality and promotion of it, following this logic this game promotes murdering people overall - like most games. Even has a special background for being a psychopatic murderer edge lord that kills innocent women

The differences being that:
1. Killing people is not inherently evil in every instance so the mere depiction of it is completely different
2. Killing innocents and being evil is presented as just that, being evil aka a bad thing.
Regardless the point is we all have different levels of what's acceptable negative behavior to portray and they exist on a clear spectrum. Robbing, killing, lying etc. are all bad things but they both aren't portrayed positively and none are as inherently abhorrent in every aspect as bestiality.

It would be no different, because I wouldn't pick this option to begin with
Those who'd pick are questionable that's for sure. I wanna stay away from them as much as possible

But I dug my grave with previous argument about "crimes" in games, so I might as well lay down in it for the sake of integrity

Then your morality is essentially alien to my own and I imagine most people. Something like that shouldn't be allowed to exist in any capacity this is not a "live and let live" scenario to me.

Besides, show me a game when shit like that is allowed; romancing a "500 yo child"
Nobody, sane or insane, implements such feature in the game. You cant even kill kids in most games, if they are even present at all
We might be arguing about impossibilities here

I promise you I could find a not insignificant number of jap games that allow that exact premise.

Throw "video games promote murder and genocide" in and we will have a proper boomer argument

Call it a boomer argument all you like but it's the reality we live in now.

Watch your heart rate, cause I don't consider those games woke
Dragon Age II's Aveline is a peak example of strong female character done properly I might add

Then I would say you are objectively incorrect. Bioware has made "inclusivity and diversity" a massive focus in their games for a long time now. Being "woke" is an openly stated focus for bioware and the reason why they intentionally included queer options into their games. Not sure about the first two games but Inquisition literally has trannies in it.

[Element]

"I must not racemix. I must not racemix," - Barik

Never played the DLC, but if the wiki isn't lying ... well, what can I say. Expectations subverted.



Now that I think of it, it was always difficult to untangle who's who from phenotype alone in the base game. Graven Ashe I took to be the representative of the northerners, whilst Verse the southerners. But then it turns out Verse is half-half, which would imply the southerners are darker. That's kinda true for the higher ups in the Scarlet Chorus, they all look a bit Aztec-y. But now Barik is a northerner who looks like he's from Baghdad. And Eb is white with A10s

[Roguey]

"I must not racemix. I must not racemix," - Barik

Never played the DLC, but if the wiki isn't lying ... well, what can I say. Expectations subverted.

As Mondain noted, the portrait doesn't make sense. Everyone else in the Disfavored has a light complexion as you can see in the npc section https://tyranny.wiki.fextralife.com/Disfavored

[Element]

"I must not racemix. I must not racemix," - Barik

Never played the DLC, but if the wiki isn't lying ... well, what can I say. Expectations subverted.

As Mondain noted, the portrait doesn't make sense. Everyone else in the Disfavored has a light complexion as you can see in the npc section https://tyranny.wiki.fextralife.com/Disfavored

Well, that doesn't really refute the case against the game belonging in the medium category.
I was also in the process of editing the comment to note that the southern phenotype seems muddled in the base game, unless there was correlation between phenotype and which land specifically the person was from. Don't remember such intricate world building though, or perhaps the optional dialogue trees bored me. Also I recall now that the school of Tides had a woman archon leading them as well, since we were tallying the male and female leaders.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

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So what youre saying is there is an acceptable ration between animal and human features that is acceptable

Yes there is. I think there's an extremely huge difference between a character that is 100% physically human in every way except they have horns and a character that is 100% physically an animal.

Riddle me this
As of June 2021, only Hawaii, New Mexico, West Virginia, and Wyoming did not have laws against bestiality.
That means the rest of states have laws against it
It's considered either a felony or a misdemeanor, doesn't matter. It's illegal
This also include recording and distribution of bestiality

AFAIK that option to romance Halsin that way still exists in the US release

You can't even begin to imagine how little a legal argument based on US law means to me. The age of consent laws used to be on average around 10-12 in the United States and it wouldn't be any less morally wrong to sleep with a child just because it was "legal".

Both narratively and technically it's not bestiality, because it's a bunch of pixels if a non-existent man magically turning into a bear to fuck you off-screen (which is implied), if you really want to argue that far

It's still a depiction of bestiality and "narratively" it's still your character being sexually attracted to and engaging in sexual activities with a physical animal.

If still that's bestiality and promotion of it, following this logic this game promotes murdering people overall - like most games. Even has a special background for being a psychopatic murderer edge lord that kills innocent women

The differences being that:
1. Killing people is not inherently evil in every instance so the mere depiction of it is completely different
2. Killing innocents and being evil is presented as just that, being evil aka a bad thing.
Regardless the point is we all have different levels of what's acceptable negative behavior to portray and they exist on a clear spectrum. Robbing, killing, lying etc. are all bad things but they both aren't portrayed positively and none are as inherently abhorrent in every aspect as bestiality.

It would be no different, because I wouldn't pick this option to begin with
Those who'd pick are questionable that's for sure. I wanna stay away from them as much as possible

But I dug my grave with previous argument about "crimes" in games, so I might as well lay down in it for the sake of integrity

Then your morality is essentially alien to my own and I imagine most people. Something like that shouldn't be allowed to exist in any capacity this is not a "live and let live" scenario to me.

Besides, show me a game when shit like that is allowed; romancing a "500 yo child"
Nobody, sane or insane, implements such feature in the game. You cant even kill kids in most games, if they are even present at all
We might be arguing about impossibilities here

I promise you I could find a not insignificant number of jap games that allow that exact premise.

Throw "video games promote murder and genocide" in and we will have a proper boomer argument

Call it a boomer argument all you like but it's the reality we live in now.

Watch your heart rate, cause I don't consider those games woke
Dragon Age II's Aveline is a peak example of strong female character done properly I might add

Then I would say you are objectively incorrect. Bioware has made "inclusivity and diversity" a massive focus in their games for a long time now. Being "woke" is an openly stated focus for bioware and the reason why they intentionally included queer options into their games. Not sure about the first two games but Inquisition literally has trannies in it.

I just asked myself why I even bother trying to convey what I mean
Disregard my previous comments. I realized there is no use

[Lord of Riva]

Well, that doesn't really refute the case against the game belonging in the medium category.
I was also in the process of editing the comment to note that the southern phenotype seems muddled in the base game, unless there was correlation between phenotype and which land specifically the person was from. Don't remember such intricate world building though, or perhaps the optional dialogue trees bored me. Also I recall now that the school of Tides had a woman archon leading them as well, since we were tallying the male and female leaders.

Are we entirely sure that "northerners" and "southerners" are racially different and not culturally?

I can't remember the aspects, played through chorus, not disfavored at first. First of all, disfavored are nearly all in Full armor, their skin color can't be seen in most cases, secondly that NPCs have white variants may actually not there to show the canon skin-tone but are simply a resource limit of the developer, third it could be a case of what was the supposed ideal of NUMANUMA eg. that race mixing was already always accepted, races itself don't exist yaddayadda and the only reason these two societies are differentiated are not biological race but culture.

Making both white and brown skin color normal racial expressions of both. It would fit the woke narrative that races are not real.

If Barik is brown but the rest is white, it would make the disfavored definitely not as race supremacist as Roguey suggested (which would not surprise me though.)

[rusty_shackleford]

Barik being brown was added in post-release DLC.

[Lord of Riva]

Barik being brown was added in post-release DLC.

We are aware, but why would we distinguish him being brown in the DLC compared to the base game where we don't know when it comes to put it on the woke list?

[Emphyrio]

Barik being brown was added in post-release DLC.

that seems retarded considering the red chorus woman is his sister

[Oyster Sauce]

Barik being brown was added in post-release DLC.

that seems retarded considering the red chorus woman is his sister

Half sister

[rusty_shackleford]

Barik being brown was added in post-release DLC.

We are aware, but why would we distinguish him being brown in the DLC compared to the base game where we don't know when it comes to put it on the woke list?

Because there was nothing to suggest he was brown in the base-game, the disfavored were obviously meant to be of a single ethnicity.
Also, this is his ingame character model after removing his armor and cleaning up:

[Lord of Riva]

Barik being brown was added in post-release DLC.

We are aware, but why would we distinguish him being brown in the DLC compared to the base game where we don't know when it comes to put it on the woke list?

Because there was nothing to suggest he was brown in the base-game, the disfavored were obviously meant to be of a single ethnicity.
Also, this is his ingame character model after removing his armor and cleaning up:

Wow, that is shit, this points to a high woke rating, again. The character formerly white was specifically "brownwashed" to appeal to wokesters, right?
EDIT: Unless we want to argue that the base game and the DLC are separate entities that is.

[rusty_shackleford]

All this talk of Tyranny makes me wish it was a finished game. Shame.

[Lord of Riva]

All this talk of Tyranny makes me wish it was a finished game. Shame.

I totally agree, I liked the general setting and some gameplay ideas (spells and levels) it's really a shame that it had so many story flaws and did not sell because of that.

[Oyster Sauce]

We are aware, but why would we distinguish him being brown in the DLC compared to the base game where we don't know when it comes to put it on the woke list?

Because there was nothing to suggest he was brown in the base-game, the disfavored were obviously meant to be of a single ethnicity.
Also, this is his ingame character model after removing his armor and cleaning up:

Wow, that is shit, this points to a high woke rating, again. The character formerly white was specifically "brownwashed" to appeal to wokesters, right?
EDIT: Unless we want to argue that the base game and the DLC are separate entities that is.

He's only seen out of his armor in the DLC. He has a white model and an Indian portrait.

By the way, they Tali'd him

[Mondain]

Because there was nothing to suggest he was brown in the base-game, the disfavored were obviously meant to be of a single ethnicity.
Also, this is his ingame character model after removing his armor and cleaning up:

Wow, that is shit, this points to a high woke rating, again. The character formerly white was specifically "brownwashed" to appeal to wokesters, right?
EDIT: Unless we want to argue that the base game and the DLC are separate entities that is.

He's only seen out of his armor in the DLC. He has a white model and an Indian portrait.

By the way, they Tali'd him

Nobody outside of India would know who that is so it was obviously outsourced.

[Oyster Sauce]

Wow, that is shit, this points to a high woke rating, again. The character formerly white was specifically "brownwashed" to appeal to wokesters, right?
EDIT: Unless we want to argue that the base game and the DLC are separate entities that is.

He's only seen out of his armor in the DLC. He has a white model and an Indian portrait.

By the way, they Tali'd him

Nobody outside of India would know who that is so it was obviously outsourced.

Heroes was pretty popular

[Mondain]

He's only seen out of his armor in the DLC. He has a white model and an Indian portrait.

By the way, they Tali'd him

Nobody outside of India would know who that is so it was obviously outsourced.

Heroes was pretty popular

I don't watch tv

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't think this is 'woke' nor am I stating my position on the war, but some people may want to be aware that colon shit contains a ukraine flag for, presumably, real-life political reasons

[WhiteShark]

I'm not sure which message is being sent since they put it on the floor for everybody to trample on and make filthy.

[wndrbr]

By the way, they Tali'd him

you're saying this as if prior to ME3's bioware laziness no one used someone's photo as a reference when creating a character portrait

[BobT]

By the way, they Tali'd him

you're saying this as if prior to ME3's bioware laziness no one used someone's photo as a reference when creating a character portrait

Bit of a difference between "reference" and copypasta with 2 edits.

[rusty_shackleford]

By the way, they Tali'd him

you're saying this as if prior to ME3's bioware laziness no one used someone's photo as a reference when creating a character portrait

Bit of a difference between "reference" and copypasta with 2 edits.

Seen the BG1/BG2 portraits lately?

[Oyster Sauce]

you're saying this as if prior to ME3's bioware laziness no one used someone's photo as a reference when creating a character portrait

Bit of a difference between "reference" and copypasta with 2 edits.

Seen the BG1/BG2 portraits lately?

They're photos of the devs taken specifically for references, arent traced, and have significant changes done to fantasy them up. Barik is a pixel-perfect trace of a character from a very well known tv show, down to his purple hoodie.

[rusty_shackleford]

Bit of a difference between "reference" and copypasta with 2 edits.

Seen the BG1/BG2 portraits lately?

They're photos of the devs taken specifically for references, arent traced, and have significant changes done to fantasy them up. Barik is a pixel-perfect trace of a character from a very well known tv show, down to his purple hoodie.

Viconia was a picture of a nude model with a hue shift.

[Nammu Archag]

There is definitely nonbinaries with Kyros

The only reference to Kyros's gender is that nobody actually knows if he is even a man because barely anyone has ever seen him. He is a mythical entity that causes entire cities to be snuffed out overnight, yet people don't even know anything about him beyond his name. He might not even exist. You are just as obsessed about gender as the sjws are at this point. Not everything relating to gender is sjw, as for normal people there was never any sjw undertone on the topic to begin with unless you live in Weimerica or its vassals.

[Oyster Sauce]

Seen the BG1/BG2 portraits lately?

They're photos of the devs taken specifically for references, arent traced, and have significant changes done to fantasy them up. Barik is a pixel-perfect trace of a character from a very well known tv show, down to his purple hoodie.

Viconia was a picture of a nude model with a hue shift.

Can I get a Justin Smith troonout wellness check?

[rusty_shackleford]

They're photos of the devs taken specifically for references, arent traced, and have significant changes done to fantasy them up. Barik is a pixel-perfect trace of a character from a very well known tv show, down to his purple hoodie.

Viconia was a picture of a nude model with a hue shift.

Can I get a Justin Smith troonout wellness check?

You know which one is Viconia, right?

[Acrux]

Good job on the BG1 artist making the portraits look better than the models. I always thought Jaheiera's model would have been a cutie. Now I'm afraid to know what Branwen's model looked like.