List of woke and non-woke role-playing games

[rusty_shackleford]

That's asking to prove a negative, no?

Missed the word "free" in Vaako's post.

But it could still use some high-level description to go into the table.

Shouldn't the default assumption be the games are free of libtardisms and then provide evidence that they have elements for or against it?

[twig]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

[Element]

Let me get this straight: Your contention is that only one game can have degeneracy? Arcanum containing an instance of that does not preclude WOTR from being pozzed from the first map to the end.

My contention is that your perception of what is pozzed and what isn't is severely flawed since you wilfully ignore bestiality in one of your most favorite games of all time. There's no bestiality in Wrathfinder for instance.




-Humbaba

Arcanum has several quests that are so based that the one instance of degeneracy basically melts away.

[Vaako]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

Almost all clans/kingdoms are ruled by men, there is only one exception of Rhaega which rules one of the three imperial kingdoms. Almost all units are men. There is just the sisterhood faction which consist of women which are pretty bad units anyway. And there are also mods where you can then even marry multiple women and even your children to get better off springs with better stats. You can use them as soldiers or let them control towns and gain benefits from their perks. The only downside is if you raid villages there are no female npcs either. But there is probably a mod for that aswell by now havent played it in a while since they patch so much that it breaks all the mods constantly.

No lgbtq nonsense. You can really immersive yourself, character creator also only has woman and man.

[maidenhaver]

Marrying children is based to easterners.

[Oyster Sauce]

Mount and Blade Bannerlord is also pretty woke free and has a turkish developer Taleworlds.

They removed the sexism and penalties for playing a female character in Warband, and added tons of female commanders leading armies on the battlefield. It's severe decline.

[Nammu Archag]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

I can go and tally it up in a bit if you want

[maidenhaver]

Why don't you just ask google gemini to draw mount and blade commanders.

[Vaako]

Mount and Blade Bannerlord is also pretty woke free and has a turkish developer Taleworlds.

They removed the sexism and penalties for playing a female character in Warband, and added tons of female commanders leading armies on the battlefield. It's severe decline.

Female commanders usually only happen a lot when most of the male clan members died and they are the only ones left and need to take towns or castles to stay solvent (usually in very cheap gear then and they have shitty combat stats), so you have to play quite long for that to happen and need to enable perma death for heros since most clans cant make enough children which grow up fast enough. And last time I played it were always men commanding except for Rhaega.

The only downside is how marriage works in the game so that you will not want to marry off your female clan members because then they join another clan and you miss out on governours or combat units.

[Oyster Sauce]

Mount and Blade Bannerlord is also pretty woke free and has a turkish developer Taleworlds.

They removed the sexism and penalties for playing a female character in Warband, and added tons of female commanders leading armies on the battlefield. It's severe decline.

Female commanders usually only happen a lot when most of the male clan members died and they are the only ones left and need to take towns or castles to stay solvent, so you have to play quite long for that to happen and need to enable perma death for heros since most clans cant make enough children which grow up fast enough. And last time I played it were always men commanding except for Rhaega.

The only downside is how marriage works in the game so that you will not want to marry off your female clan members because then they join another clan and you miss out on governours or combat units.

I disagree and think there are many females leading armies but I have no evidence to support my claim

[Mondain]

They could make it non woke by adding women as loot from battles.

[Nammu Archag]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

This is what I got from counting the (fighting) nobles of the main factions from the start of a new game with the latest update:

Aserai (fighting) nobles - 52% female
male 22
female 24

Sturgia (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 27
female 23

Vlandian (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 28
female 24

Kuzhait (fighting) nobles - 43% female
male 27
female 20

Battanian (fighting) nobles - 42% female
male 21
female 15

Imperial (fighting) nobles - 47% female
male 69
female 61

[Oyster Sauce]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

This is what I got from counting the (fighting) nobles of the main factions from the start of a new game with the latest update:

Aserai (fighting) nobles - 52% female
male 22
female 24

Sturgia (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 27
female 23

Vlandian (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 28
female 24

Kuzhait (fighting) nobles - 43% female
male 27
female 20

Battanian (fighting) nobles - 42% female
male 21
female 15

Imperial (fighting) nobles - 47% female
male 69
female 61

Worse than I thought.
There was once a mod that rewrote the stronk women dialogue but I think an update broke it and it was never worked on again.

[maidenhaver]

Perpetual updates break the game just to break mods trannies don't like.

[Nammu Archag]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

This is what I got from counting the (fighting) nobles of the main factions from the start of a new game with the latest update:

Aserai (fighting) nobles - 52% female
male 22
female 24

Sturgia (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 27
female 23

Vlandian (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 28
female 24

Kuzhait (fighting) nobles - 43% female
male 27
female 20

Battanian (fighting) nobles - 42% female
male 21
female 15

Imperial (fighting) nobles - 47% female
male 69
female 61

Worse than I thought.
There was once a mod that rewrote the stronk women dialogue but I think an update broke it and it was never worked on again.

the game still isn't really complete despite being launched years ago, making mods for it is a mess, and every update (which happens multiple times a year) make all past mods incompatible, so yeah you are basically just stuck with it

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Kuro no Kiseki/Trails into Daybreak

Medium/borderline heavy wokeness.


TLDR

• a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
• b. Promotion of homosexual relationships
• c. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

Long explanation

► Show Spoiler

This is the eleventh mainline game in the Trails series, and the first game set in the Republic Calvard. Calvard was established since the first game in the series as being an expy of the United States - an aggressive, imperialist superpower that justifies its interventions in the name of "freedom", and is in a cold war with the Erebonian Empire which is a Prussia expy undergoing the German Unification by not-Bismarck. Calvard had a violent democratic revolution 100 years ago in which the old monarchy was butchered by opportunists and the world's first modern democratic republic was erected (there might be older democratic republics akin to Rome/Greece/etc from antiquity but almost nothing is none about the governments before the Great Collapse).



a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement

In the first five games of the series, Calvard is stated (by Calvardian citizens) to be suffering from a mass influx of foreigners (in the first 10 games the only immigrant race stated is "easterners" who share a generic Chinese/Japanese culture. Kuro retcons in generic Middle-Easterners migrating in too), leading to racial strife.


Ironically both of these characters are Easterners, discussing the negative consequences of immigration. Pulling up the ladder behind them.

In game #5 Ao no Kiseki/Trails to Azure, we find out that there is an organization called the Anti-Immigration League who are gaining popularity amongst the native people of Calvard, and they attempt to assassinate the incumbent President Rocksmith, only to fall into Rocksmith's trap as he was working with a powerful Eastern crime syndicate under the table.

Then you reach game #8 Trails of Cold Steel III, which is when the story begins whitewashing Calvard and presenting it as only a purely good thing. The series stops talking about the consequences of immigration, begins pretending that Calvard isn't also an aggressive expansionist empire, pretends that Calvard wasn't encroaching upon Erebonia's territory, pretends that Calvard didn't send a platoon of soldiers underneath the Imperial Capital in what could only be preparation for a preemptive strike, the bloody revolution was now an unambiguously good thing and the rebels were the good guys with no insinuation otherwise, etc.

And then here in Kuro, you have all of the heroes praising immigration, and the single anti-immigration NPC is presented as a cartoon caricature and vilified. The popular anti-immigration league is never mentioned (apparently they come back in Kuro 2 but aren't given sympathetic POVs like their Erebonian counterpart organization - the Imperial Liberation Front - got across the four Trails of Cold Steel games).






There is also a ludicrous depiction of a small village that somehow still has three distinct races (whites, easterners, and middle-easterners). In a village that small, the three races would have bred together and you would only just have one homogenous group by the present day.

The game also portrays raceswapping historical figures as a positive. In an Oscar winning film about the Joan of Arc expy who led the American/French Revolution that led to the founding of the Republic, the lead actress is portrayed by an Easterner instead of a native Calvardian woman.




In Kuro, we find out that the Eastern crime syndicate, Heiyue, controls an entire city in Calvard (Langport), with tacit approval from the Calvardian government as they do nothing to combat Heiyue. Heiyue characters are portrayed sympathetically, and the game repeatedly touts Heiyue as being "important" to preserving law and order and society as Heiyue is needed to maintain "the balance of power" in the underworld, and keep "evil" crime syndicates from rising. Meanwhile, the white mafia, Almata, is portrayed as unambiguously evil.

I could go on, but I think I've hit the main points. Kuro is a 110 hour long game so you have to put up with a lot of this.



b. Promotion of homosexual relationships

One of the NPC storylines is about a love triangle. At the climax, it is revealed that instead of the two guys both being in love with the same girl, it's actually the two guys being in love with each other (with the girl losing). You do a side quest and bring them together (which you have to do if you since Trails games have a lot of missables, and you really want to do everything to get to get the best gear and to see additional scenes, etc).



For the record, prior Trails games did have gay teases but they were presented as jokes and never actually went anywhere (Anelace's speech in Trails in the Sky SC "accidentally" coming off as a romantic confession to Estelle, Angie finding the girls to be cute and wanting to hug them in Trails of Cold Steel, horseplay where girls grab each other's boobs, etc), but this is the first Trails game that seriously endorses homosexuality.



c. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

JRPGs are infamous for organized religions usually turning out to be corrupt or a lie, and games climaxing in slaying an being that is coded as being the Abrahamic God. The Trails series was notable for the major presence of a Catholic Church expy (called the Septian Church, which worships the one true goddess Aidios) and not portraying it negatively. The Septian Church was portrayed as legitimate and as the sole practiced religion in Zemuria (we hear about how there were pagans in ancient times but paganism isn't depicted in the present day), though the heroes never pray or are convicted by their belief in the goddess and her testaments, not even the protagonist of Trails in the Sky the 3rd who is a priest.

In Kuro, a new god named "Alusha" is suddenly introduced (having never before been mentioned in this 1,000+ hour long series, not even in the prior game that came out one year before), with the religion being Islamically coded (architecture, clothing, primarily practiced by the newly introduced Middle-Easterner race, etc). However, the NPCs bear the badges of the Septian Church and use the same terminology of Father/Sister, and insist that Alusha is Aidios.





Apparently there is a mosque inside the not-Vatican city.

In the same game, the situation is also replicated with two generic Asian/Buddhist looking temples dedicated to the brand new "Heavenly Mother", who the NPCs again insist is actually just another name for Aidios.



Kuro 1 doesn't go further into this Alusha and Heavenly Mother stuff than those screenshots above. Maybe there is nothing sinister here and it's just like a Chinese Christian's depiction of Jesus, but given how the rest of the game has swerved towards promoting the usual globalist/death cult mantras, I would not be surprised if this is part of the same push. Will have to see where this goes in future games.

[Decline]

Why don't you just ask google gemini to draw mount and blade commanders.

[Rand]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

It is shockingly high for all societies in the game.
Especially the non-imperial societies where you would think it would make even less sense.
Notably, the common soldiers are never female, except a special type of one specific set of units. And they kinda suck.

But anyway, the majority of the commanders I actually see and fight on the open battles are male. Over 95%.
In the arenas, it's well over 80%.
I assume most of the females are coded to not go out and fight if they don't have to.

[Vaako]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

This is what I got from counting the (fighting) nobles of the main factions from the start of a new game with the latest update:

Aserai (fighting) nobles - 52% female
male 22
female 24

Sturgia (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 27
female 23

Vlandian (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 28
female 24

Kuzhait (fighting) nobles - 43% female
male 27
female 20

Battanian (fighting) nobles - 42% female
male 21
female 15

Imperial (fighting) nobles - 47% female
male 69
female 61

My current game version is 1.03, yes there are lots of women which can potenially lead parties, but since almost all Clan leaders are man you rarely see them and if you do they usually only patrol arround their towns. And like I wrote before their gear is usually crap. From 12 Vlandian clans only one has a female leader Catatild (and her stats are for governing not combat). Battania has no female clan leader and the only female with good stats is Corein which is the daugther of the king of Battania and probably has that so you can marry her and get strong children to fight for you. Same goes for Vlandia where only Silvind has good combat stats. But sure if you consider women with soldiers following them unimmersive guess the game is pozzed. I consider their combat stats too.

[twig]

Thanks.

I'm going to postpone adding full M&B:B opinions to see whether there's some more agreement on the female commanders thing. The distinction between potential army leaders and clan leaders seems significant and can possibly explain what the game developer's intent was.

There was once a mod that rewrote the stronk women dialogue but I think an update broke it and it was never worked on again.

Can you elaborate on stronk women dialogue? This sounds more jarring than all other things regarding Bannelord, IMO.

---

I've started a separate list for weeb games. The tone is all different than describing Western games and I don't believe they belong together on a single list.

[Nammu Archag]

@Vaako Is it true that 50% of all commanders are women in Bannerlord? Here's some redditor. Another.

This is what I got from counting the (fighting) nobles of the main factions from the start of a new game with the latest update:

Aserai (fighting) nobles - 52% female
male 22
female 24

Sturgia (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 27
female 23

Vlandian (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 28
female 24

Kuzhait (fighting) nobles - 43% female
male 27
female 20

Battanian (fighting) nobles - 42% female
male 21
female 15

Imperial (fighting) nobles - 47% female
male 69
female 61

My current game version is 1.03, yes there are lots of women which can potenially lead parties, but since almost all Clan leaders are man you rarely see them and if you do they usually only patrol arround their towns. And like I wrote before their gear is usually crap. From 12 Vlandian clans only one has a female leader Catatild (and her stats are for governing not combat). Battania has no female clan leader and the only female with good stats is Corein which is the daugther of the king of Battania and probably has that so you can marry her and get strong children to fight for you. Same goes for Vlandia where only Silvind has good combat stats. But sure if you consider women with soldiers following them unimmersive guess the game is pozzed. I consider their combat stats too.

40-50% of generals in any medieval setting being women is laughable and pozzed, there is zero reason for it. They actually have to do more work to implement them in this way, and did it anyways. Having really any is kinda pozzed. Also, you still fight them all the time, so doesn't matter if only 1/7 faction leaders are (lol) when half the generals you fight are women in full armor. The game treats it like its completely normal. And personally, I fight them enough to notice the disparity in the first place, especially in the early game, so it's not a pure desperation thing either since all the kingdoms are still doing relatively well by that point.

[Nammu Archag]

Thanks.

I'm going to postpone adding full M&B:B opinions to see whether there's some more agreement on the female commanders thing. The distinction between potential army leaders and clan leaders seems significant and can possibly explain what the game developer's intent was.

There was once a mod that rewrote the stronk women dialogue but I think an update broke it and it was never worked on again.

Can you elaborate on stronk women dialogue? This sounds more jarring than all other things regarding Bannelord, IMO.

---

I've started a separate list for weeb games. The tone is all different than describing Western games and I don't believe they belong together on a single list.

There is no difference in gameplay between army leaders aka Nobles (they are not potentially army leaders, they are by default war leaders, as they are a separate class from the non-combat Ladies class), and clan leaders, beyond the latter simply having larger armies and better gear

[Rand]

So there's effectively a "ladies" class and a "generals" class.
And only women can be ladies, but men and women can be generals.
And generals are the only ones that can be clan leaders.

That explains the overrepresentation of women in leadership then.
Females get all of one half, and a part of the other.

I assume it was intended originally to be fully sex segregated, then they just decided to add female generals.

[Lord of Riva]

So there's effectively a "ladies" class and a "generals" class.
And only women can be ladies, but men and women can be generals.
And generals are the only ones that can be clan leaders.

That explains the overrepresentation of women in leadership then.
Females get all of one half, and a part of the other.

I assume it was intended originally to be fully sex segregated, then they just decided to add female generals.

That is basically Gynocentrism in a nutshell, apart from the specific roles here that women will just not reasonably fulfill like fighting, this is what is happening to the whole of society.

Women are taking over half of everything male while also having all their female specific stuff for themselves. That may be fine when it comes to Sauna (still questionable) it's not fine when it comes to Voting, where this is also the case.

[Element]

So there's effectively a "ladies" class and a "generals" class.
And only women can be ladies, but men and women can be generals.
And generals are the only ones that can be clan leaders.

That explains the overrepresentation of women in leadership then.
Females get all of one half, and a part of the other.

I assume it was intended originally to be fully sex segregated, then they just decided to add female generals.

That is basically Gynocentrism in a nutshell, apart from the specific roles here that women will just not reasonably fulfill like fighting, this is what is happening to the whole of society.

Women are taking over half of everything male while also having all their female specific stuff for themselves. That may be fine when it comes to Sauna (still questionable) it's not fine when it comes to Voting, where this is also the case.

Men fight back via trooning

[ArcaneLurker]

Kuro no Kiseki/Trails into Daybreak

Medium/borderline heavy wokeness.


TLDR

• a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
• b. Promotion of homosexual relationships
• c. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

Long explanation

► Show Spoiler

This is the eleventh mainline game in the Trails series, and the first game set in the Republic Calvard. Calvard was established since the first game in the series as being an expy of the United States - an aggressive, imperialist superpower that justifies its interventions in the name of "freedom", and is in a cold war with the Erebonian Empire which is a Prussia expy undergoing the German Unification by not-Bismarck. Calvard had a violent democratic revolution 100 years ago in which the old monarchy was butchered by opportunists and the world's first modern democratic republic was erected (there might be older democratic republics akin to Rome/Greece/etc from antiquity but almost nothing is none about the governments before the Great Collapse).



a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement

In the first five games of the series, Calvard is stated (by Calvardian citizens) to be suffering from a mass influx of foreigners (in the first 10 games the only immigrant race stated is "easterners" who share a generic Chinese/Japanese culture. Kuro retcons in generic Middle-Easterners migrating in too), leading to racial strife.


Ironically both of these characters are Easterners, discussing the negative consequences of immigration. Pulling up the ladder behind them.

In game #5 Ao no Kiseki/Trails to Azure, we find out that there is an organization called the Anti-Immigration League who are gaining popularity amongst the native people of Calvard, and they attempt to assassinate the incumbent President Rocksmith, only to fall into Rocksmith's trap as he was working with a powerful Eastern crime syndicate under the table.

Then you reach game #8 Trails of Cold Steel III, which is when the story begins whitewashing Calvard and presenting it as only a purely good thing. The series stops talking about the consequences of immigration, begins pretending that Calvard isn't also an aggressive expansionist empire, pretends that Calvard wasn't encroaching upon Erebonia's territory, pretends that Calvard didn't send a platoon of soldiers underneath the Imperial Capital in what could only be preparation for a preemptive strike, the bloody revolution was now an unambiguously good thing and the rebels were the good guys with no insinuation otherwise, etc.

And then here in Kuro, you have all of the heroes praising immigration, and the single anti-immigration NPC is presented as a cartoon caricature and vilified. The popular anti-immigration league is never mentioned (apparently they come back in Kuro 2 but aren't given sympathetic POVs like their Erebonian counterpart organization - the Imperial Liberation Front - got across the four Trails of Cold Steel games).






There is also a ludicrous depiction of a small village that somehow still has three distinct races (whites, easterners, and middle-easterners). In a village that small, the three races would have bred together and you would only just have one homogenous group by the present day.

The game also portrays raceswapping historical figures as a positive. In an Oscar winning film about the Joan of Arc expy who led the American/French Revolution that led to the founding of the Republic, the lead actress is portrayed by an Easterner instead of a native Calvardian woman.




In Kuro, we find out that the Eastern crime syndicate, Heiyue, controls an entire city in Calvard (Langport), with tacit approval from the Calvardian government as they do nothing to combat Heiyue. Heiyue characters are portrayed sympathetically, and the game repeatedly touts Heiyue as being "important" to preserving law and order and society as Heiyue is needed to maintain "the balance of power" in the underworld, and keep "evil" crime syndicates from rising. Meanwhile, the white mafia, Almata, is portrayed as unambiguously evil.

I could go on, but I think I've hit the main points. Kuro is a 110 hour long game so you have to put up with a lot of this.



b. Promotion of homosexual relationships

One of the NPC storylines is about a love triangle. At the climax, it is revealed that instead of the two guys both being in love with the same girl, it's actually the two guys being in love with each other (with the girl losing). You do a side quest and bring them together (which you have to do if you since Trails games have a lot of missables, and you really want to do everything to get to get the best gear and to see additional scenes, etc).



For the record, prior Trails games did have gay teases but they were presented as jokes and never actually went anywhere (Anelace's speech in Trails in the Sky SC "accidentally" coming off as a romantic confession to Estelle, Angie finding the girls to be cute and wanting to hug them in Trails of Cold Steel, horseplay where girls grab each other's boobs, etc), but this is the first Trails game that seriously endorses homosexuality.



c. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

JRPGs are infamous for organized religions usually turning out to be corrupt or a lie, and games climaxing in slaying an being that is coded as being the Abrahamic God. The Trails series was notable for the major presence of a Catholic Church expy (called the Septian Church, which worships the one true goddess Aidios) and not portraying it negatively. The Septian Church was portrayed as legitimate and as the sole practiced religion in Zemuria (we hear about how there were pagans in ancient times but paganism isn't depicted in the present day), though the heroes never pray or are convicted by their belief in the goddess and her testaments, not even the protagonist of Trails in the Sky the 3rd who is a priest.

In Kuro, a new god named "Alusha" is suddenly introduced (having never before been mentioned in this 1,000+ hour long series, not even in the prior game that came out one year before), with the religion being Islamically coded (architecture, clothing, primarily practiced by the newly introduced Middle-Easterner race, etc). However, the NPCs bear the badges of the Septian Church and use the same terminology of Father/Sister, and insist that Alusha is Aidios.





Apparently there is a mosque inside the not-Vatican city.

In the same game, the situation is also replicated with two generic Asian/Buddhist looking temples dedicated to the brand new "Heavenly Mother", who the NPCs again insist is actually just another name for Aidios.



Kuro 1 doesn't go further into this Alusha and Heavenly Mother stuff than those screenshots above. Maybe there is nothing sinister here and it's just like a Chinese Christian's depiction of Jesus, but given how the rest of the game has swerved towards promoting the usual globalist/death cult mantras, I would not be surprised if this is part of the same push. Will have to see where this goes in future games.

Don't ever look externally for support.
All non-whites want access to White resources and mates, and would see a homogenous White collective as a massive threat, thus they all benefit in attacking "racists."
If you take Nationalists from foreign countries and make them immigrants in your own, they'll quickly join in with the decrying of Nationalism (because it's only focused on Europeans). Very few of them are able to think about things like "well, I'm a guest and I should do my best to support the host so they appreciate my presence as a foreigner."
Doesn't matter if niggers kill East Asians for fun, East Asian immigrants in will continually mostly blame White people, and the reason they're able to admit racial differences are real are because they can easily use that to promote their own racial supremacy, like Jews.

[Vaako]

This is what I got from counting the (fighting) nobles of the main factions from the start of a new game with the latest update:

Aserai (fighting) nobles - 52% female
male 22
female 24

Sturgia (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 27
female 23

Vlandian (fighting) nobles - 46% female
male 28
female 24

Kuzhait (fighting) nobles - 43% female
male 27
female 20

Battanian (fighting) nobles - 42% female
male 21
female 15

Imperial (fighting) nobles - 47% female
male 69
female 61

My current game version is 1.03, yes there are lots of women which can potenially lead parties, but since almost all Clan leaders are man you rarely see them and if you do they usually only patrol arround their towns. And like I wrote before their gear is usually crap. From 12 Vlandian clans only one has a female leader Catatild (and her stats are for governing not combat). Battania has no female clan leader and the only female with good stats is Corein which is the daugther of the king of Battania and probably has that so you can marry her and get strong children to fight for you. Same goes for Vlandia where only Silvind has good combat stats. But sure if you consider women with soldiers following them unimmersive guess the game is pozzed. I consider their combat stats too.

40-50% of generals in any medieval setting being women is laughable and pozzed, there is zero reason for it. They actually have to do more work to implement them in this way, and did it anyways. Having really any is kinda pozzed. Also, you still fight them all the time, so doesn't matter if only 1/7 faction leaders are (lol) when half the generals you fight are women in full armor. The game treats it like its completely normal. And personally, I fight them enough to notice the disparity in the first place, especially in the early game, so it's not a pure desperation thing either since all the kingdoms are still doing relatively well by that point.

Guess my headcanon is if I fight those they are just playing pretend "general" because of their weak combat stats and are actually just sightseeing but I guess if you have 0 tolerance to that and want it super realistic the game probably needs some mods to fix that for you.

[Lord of Riva]

Men fight back via trooning

In some way that is correct, it is seemingly the only way to escape the original sin that feminism has created of being male. It's not a solution though, it's making it worse.

[Goblin_Hammer]

Men fight back via trooning

In some way that is correct, it is seemingly the only way to escape the original sin that feminism has created of being male. It's not a solution though, it's making it worse.

Do you believe in the incel to troon pipeline? I'm skeptical, but it seems like a logical conclusion to someone who hates women enough that they would pretend to become one to humiliate them at their own game.

[Lord of Riva]

Do you believe in the incel to troon pipeline? I'm skeptical, but it seems like a logical conclusion to someone who hates women enough that they would pretend to become one to humiliate them at their own game.

Well there have been some people stating they were "transmaxing" in the space so there are certainly some people coming to this conclusion and trying to game the system.

It seems to me that lack of sexual success is correlated but it does not have to be inceldom, a lot of "gay" people seem to be open for this stuff, so are people with certain fetishes from what I am seeing.

It's a general degeneracy AFAICT, and Incels with their sole shared aspect being having no sex (or rather intimate relationships) are a pretty heterogenous group. they are not considering just having sex with a prostitute or what they call a roasty or considering having sex with men instead which is easily available, making me conclude that being an incel is the opposite of just doing whatever it takes to sidestep the issue, if they would try to they would not be incels, wouldn't they and thus not a pipeline to trans.