Except there's a flaw in your post. Monte Cook stated that he removed all of Gary's work when he made Generic Fantasy Superhero RPG the Third Shitting.rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ March 8th, 2023, 14:30SnipMadPreacher wrote: ↑ March 8th, 2023, 14:23Yet, his name appears in the credits as a big fuck you to Lorraine. The rules are a revision that he started and gave to David back in 1985. I posted the actual PHB page. The same credits appear in all three printings of the AD&D 2E PHB by the way.
You can't hate David or his work because of what Lorraine did. Thus, the rules as appears in AD&D 2E are entirely a revision of AD&D 1E as evidenced by the Dragon Issue 103 article by Gary himself. Unless you're calling Gary a liar. Are you?
LinkWhen we designed 3rd Edition D&D, people around Wizards of the Coast joked about the "lessons" we could learn from Magic: The Gathering, like making the rulebooks -- or the rules themselves -- collectible. ("Darn, I got another Cleave, I'm still looking for the ultra-rare Great Cleave.")
There's a third concept that we took from Magic-style rules design, though. Only with six years of hindsight do I call the concept "Ivory Tower Game Design." (Perhaps a bit of misnomer, but it's got a ring to it.) This is the approach we took in 3rd Edition: basically just laying out the rules without a lot of advice or help. This strategy relates tangentially to the second point above. The idea here is that the game just gives the rules, and players figure out the ins and outs for themselves -- players are rewarded for achieving mastery of the rules and making good choices rather than poor ones.
Compare that to what David "Zeb" Cook wrote in the AD&D 2E PHB revised. All he did was clarify the existing rules, make it easier to find things, to fix the broken things, make it easier to understand, and take the best ideas from existing AD&D 1E expansions. He even said that he kept it familiar on purpose and to not deviate far from what Gary wrote originally for AD&D 1E.
I rest my case. By the way, you can't argue any of this since you lack the proper feat to do so. It's not on your character sheet, but since I'm using the AD&D 2E rules I am using my Debate NWP that uses my Intelligence.