Nocturne text is off

[Demonic Fate]

Nocturne looks male and has a (kinda faggy IMO*) male voice, but the meet-up speech is still full of trans crap, even if not explicit. Is this supposed to read like this, or are some edits missing? MC also refers to him as "she".

Story-wise, I made Shart reject Shar, then I (unintentionally lol) skipped the Scientology confession ritual and went straight to meet and kill Viconia before ever seeing Nocturne. That may be relevant for the various flags involved.

Disclaimer 1: it could be the fault of my modlist, but OIO and/or Really Shadowheart should be the only ones that touch dialogue, and they're both higher in the load list. I also tried disabling them and reloading and it didn't change anything.

Disclaimer 2: I upgraded from NA 5.x to NA 6 mid-playthrough, while I was in Act 3. I overwrote all the 5.x files with the 6.0 new ones (including DialogTree.pak); the upgrade was otherwise flawless, including Ser Aylin becoming Ser Aelen. So if that could have messed things up, my fault.

* The voice in the nocturne.mkv file linked in the OP was much better, IMO. Did that change?

[Demonic Fate]

Nocturne's Journal is completely unchanged from vanilla, so I presumably screwed something up.

[Demonic Fate]

Update: I tried downgrading the Lingo file back to 5.2. This fixed Nocturne's Journal text and the MC now correctly genders him, but Nocturne himself still gave the same spiel posted above.

Then I downgraded the DialogTree mod as well, but that didn't change anything. (I also pushed all NA mods to the bottom of the load order, just in case.)

So the journal and MC lines might be just an updating-mid-playthrough issue, but Nocturne's lines I can't be sure about.

[orinEsque]

Update: I tried downgrading the Lingo file back to 5.2. This fixed Nocturne's Journal text and the MC now correctly genders him, but Nocturne himself still gave the same spiel posted above.

Then I downgraded the DialogTree mod as well, but that didn't change anything. (I also pushed all NA mods to the bottom of the load order, just in case.)

So the journal and MC lines might be just an updating-mid-playthrough issue, but Nocturne's lines I can't be sure about.

I'll have a look. Maybe I messed something up with the journal entry in patch 6.0.

With the trans dialogue, I just adapted the journal to sound as if its a new name to honor shar instead of him becoming a man. So in a way the dialogue doesn't need changing.

p.s. the voice acting is SO fucking bad, changing the voice doesn't make the fagginess go away. Might have to dub it myself to magic the gay away.

[Demonic Fate]

Update: I tried downgrading the Lingo file back to 5.2. This fixed Nocturne's Journal text and the MC now correctly genders him, but Nocturne himself still gave the same spiel posted above.

Then I downgraded the DialogTree mod as well, but that didn't change anything. (I also pushed all NA mods to the bottom of the load order, just in case.)

So the journal and MC lines might be just an updating-mid-playthrough issue, but Nocturne's lines I can't be sure about.

I'll have a look. Maybe I messed something up with the journal entry in patch 6.0.

With the trans dialogue, I just adapted the journal to sound as if its a new name to honor shar instead of him becoming a man. So in a way the dialogue doesn't need changing.

p.s. the voice acting is SO fucking bad, changing the voice doesn't make the fagginess go away. Might have to dub it myself to magic the gay away.

Thanks!

I would suggest 'simply' dropping the second and third lines of the spiel ("They were attacking..." and "I couldn't keep up...").

Without those, it's a little bit curt, but it's fine if they're just talking about his new name as an adept, which isn't nearly as big of a deal. Basically, it becomes:

"Got a new name?" "Yup. Heh, remember how much shit you got when you changed yours?" "It's a beautiful name - suits you well."

A little bit awkwardly structured, but at least it's not cringe and overdramatic.

[orinEsque]

Update: I tried downgrading the Lingo file back to 5.2. This fixed Nocturne's Journal text and the MC now correctly genders him, but Nocturne himself still gave the same spiel posted above.

Then I downgraded the DialogTree mod as well, but that didn't change anything. (I also pushed all NA mods to the bottom of the load order, just in case.)

So the journal and MC lines might be just an updating-mid-playthrough issue, but Nocturne's lines I can't be sure about.

I'll have a look. Maybe I messed something up with the journal entry in patch 6.0.

With the trans dialogue, I just adapted the journal to sound as if its a new name to honor shar instead of him becoming a man. So in a way the dialogue doesn't need changing.

p.s. the voice acting is SO fucking bad, changing the voice doesn't make the fagginess go away. Might have to dub it myself to magic the gay away.

Thanks!

I would suggest 'simply' dropping the second and third lines of the spiel ("They were attacking..." and "I couldn't keep up...").

Without those, it's a little bit curt, but it's fine if they're just talking about his new name as an adept, which isn't nearly as big of a deal. Basically, it becomes:

"Got a new name?" "Yup. Heh, remember how much shit you got when you changed yours?" "It's a beautiful name - suits you well."

A little bit awkwardly structured, but at least it's not cringe and overdramatic.

good idea! I'll pop it in next patch.

[orinEsque]

Nocturne looks male and has a (kinda faggy IMO*) male voice, but the meet-up speech is still full of trans crap, even if not explicit. Is this supposed to read like this, or are some edits missing? MC also refers to him as "she".

Story-wise, I made Shart reject Shar, then I (unintentionally lol) skipped the Scientology confession ritual and went straight to meet and kill Viconia before ever seeing Nocturne. That may be relevant for the various flags involved.

Disclaimer 1: it could be the fault of my modlist, but OIO and/or Really Shadowheart should be the only ones that touch dialogue, and they're both higher in the load list. I also tried disabling them and reloading and it didn't change anything.

Disclaimer 2: I upgraded from NA 5.x to NA 6 mid-playthrough, while I was in Act 3. I overwrote all the 5.x files with the 6.0 new ones (including DialogTree.pak); the upgrade was otherwise flawless, including Ser Aylin becoming Ser Aelen. So if that could have messed things up, my fault.

* The voice in the nocturne.mkv file linked in the OP was much better, IMO. Did that change?

Hey can you give me your save at nocturne? I didn't give shadowheart the noblestalk so i don't trigger this dialogue

[Demonic Fate]

Nocturne looks male and has a (kinda faggy IMO*) male voice, but the meet-up speech is still full of trans crap, even if not explicit. Is this supposed to read like this, or are some edits missing? MC also refers to him as "she".

Story-wise, I made Shart reject Shar, then I (unintentionally lol) skipped the Scientology confession ritual and went straight to meet and kill Viconia before ever seeing Nocturne. That may be relevant for the various flags involved.

Disclaimer 1: it could be the fault of my modlist, but OIO and/or Really Shadowheart should be the only ones that touch dialogue, and they're both higher in the load list. I also tried disabling them and reloading and it didn't change anything.

Disclaimer 2: I upgraded from NA 5.x to NA 6 mid-playthrough, while I was in Act 3. I overwrote all the 5.x files with the 6.0 new ones (including DialogTree.pak); the upgrade was otherwise flawless, including Ser Aylin becoming Ser Aelen. So if that could have messed things up, my fault.

* The voice in the nocturne.mkv file linked in the OP was much better, IMO. Did that change?

Hey can you give me your save at nocturne? I didn't give shadowheart the noblestalk so i don't trigger this dialogue

No problem, but it might take me until Monday to do it. I run a decent-sized modlist, so I'll need to whittle it down to the bare minimum required so the game doesn't crash, then attach them to the save so you can use it.

[Demonic Fate]

@orinEsque, do you still need the savegame? I've been trying for a few days, but whenever I remove almost anything from the modlist (135 mods) I get a 302 error on load and need to hunt down the item/spell responsible.

I'll keep at it if it helps - least I can do - but if it's no longer useful b/c it's a Patch 7 game or whatever, let me know.

[orinEsque]

@orinEsque, do you still need the savegame? I've been trying for a few days, but whenever I remove almost anything from the modlist (135 mods) I get a 302 error on load and need to hunt down the item/spell responsible.

I'll keep at it if it helps - least I can do - but if it's no longer useful b/c it's a Patch 7 game or whatever, let me know.

Well how about you confirm for me if Nocturne's conversation can has chopped down in latest version of NA? Might save you the terrible l trouble

[Demonic Fate]

@orinEsque, do you still need the savegame? I've been trying for a few days, but whenever I remove almost anything from the modlist (135 mods) I get a 302 error on load and need to hunt down the item/spell responsible.

I'll keep at it if it helps - least I can do - but if it's no longer useful b/c it's a Patch 7 game or whatever, let me know.

Well how about you confirm for me if Nocturne's conversation can has chopped down in latest version of NA? Might save you the terrible l trouble

... I'm fucking retarded. Of course that would be way easier.

*test* Aaand nope, he still says all three lines

But I don't want to make you chase down something that might be a corrupted save from updates or stuff like that. I've finished my Patch 7 playthrough, so I'll soon wipe the folder and update to a clean Patch 8 install. Then I'll grab a cheat mod and speedrun to the encounter.

[orinEsque]

Sorry for the terrible english. was on my phone. Thanks for your help!

[rusty_shackleford]

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Sorry for the terrible english. was on my phone.

doesn't have hindi to english translator on phone

[DUMBO77]

Wanted to add to this to the conversation, let me know if I need to post a new thread/ticket for this:

"her" used in voice and subtitle text for Nocturne when choosing the dialogue option "He's one of them. You can't trust him". Shadowheart replies "Perhaps you're right... but I trusted her once. That has to count for something.

[orinEsque]

Wanted to add to this to the conversation, let me know if I need to post a new thread/ticket for this:

"her" used in voice and subtitle text for Nocturne when choosing the dialogue option "He's one of them. You can't trust him". Shadowheart replies "Perhaps you're right... but I trusted her once. That has to count for something.

could you send me the savegame here, need to test it once i change the dialogue (but I was stingy with my noblestalk)

note to self: Shadowheart: Perhaps you're right... but I trusted her once. That has to count for something.

[DUMBO77]

Wanted to add to this to the conversation, let me know if I need to post a new thread/ticket for this:

"her" used in voice and subtitle text for Nocturne when choosing the dialogue option "He's one of them. You can't trust him". Shadowheart replies "Perhaps you're right... but I trusted her once. That has to count for something.

could you send me the savegame here, need to test it once i change the dialogue (but I was stingy with my noblestalk)

note to self: Shadowheart: Perhaps you're right... but I trusted her once. That has to count for something.

I use a bunch of fucks-up-everything if you uninstall mods though, that fine?

[orinEsque]

Wanted to add to this to the conversation, let me know if I need to post a new thread/ticket for this:

"her" used in voice and subtitle text for Nocturne when choosing the dialogue option "He's one of them. You can't trust him". Shadowheart replies "Perhaps you're right... but I trusted her once. That has to count for something.

could you send me the savegame here, need to test it once i change the dialogue (but I was stingy with my noblestalk)

note to self: Shadowheart: Perhaps you're right... but I trusted her once. That has to count for something.

I use a bunch of fucks-up-everything if you uninstall mods though, that fine?

probably not, nvm I'll figure something out. Probably a save flag edit or something.

[DUMBO77]

could you send me the savegame here, need to test it once i change the dialogue (but I was stingy with my noblestalk)

note to self: Shadowheart: Perhaps you're right... but I trusted her once. That has to count for something.

I use a bunch of fucks-up-everything if you uninstall mods though, that fine?

probably not, nvm I'll figure something out. Probably a save flag edit or something.

I downloaded a save from nexus, installed only the truest of mods, chosen of the absolute, then got to the nocturnal scene.
Noturnal_HER_OrinEsque_Save

Mods:
MCM
Even Better Romance
Realms Restored 2.0
No Alphabets 6.2

Reflexion: If the issue is only the noblestalk, could you simply spawn that using a cheat table and make shadowhart eat it?

[orinEsque]

I use a bunch of fucks-up-everything if you uninstall mods though, that fine?

probably not, nvm I'll figure something out. Probably a save flag edit or something.

I downloaded a save from nexus, installed only the truest of mods, chosen of the absolute, then got to the nocturnal scene.
Noturnal_HER_OrinEsque_Save

Mods:
MCM
Even Better Romance
Realms Restored 2.0
No Alphabets 6.2

Reflexion: If the issue is only the noblestalk, could you simply spawn that using a cheat table and make shadowhart eat it?

Much appreciated!

[DUMBO77]

Side note: I never even hit Act 3 before discovering No Alphabet and RR with these, so I had no clue that this NPC was meant to be trans.

Because of the dialogue about “how they were making fun of Shadowheart for her name, and because she is a daughter of selunites I guess”, I just figured they hated him because of his old name too and … I dunno, his “personality" or some drama with his backstory and not fully embracing their doctrine.. TBF though, I don’t really give a shit about that dude, so I wasn’t paying much attention at the time

It was only after shadowheart said "I trusted her" that it occurred to me