When will tactical games die (again)

Post by **maidenhaver** » July 25th, 2023, 11:20

How long do I need to wait?

Post by **WhiteShark** » July 25th, 2023, 11:25

What's wrong with tactical games?

Post by **rusty_shackleford** » July 25th, 2023, 11:30

WhiteShark wrote: ↑ July 25th, 2023, 11:25
What's wrong with tactical games?

Almost all of them copy nu-xcom, which was at best an OK game. The clones are derivative crap.

Humbaba · Post by **Humbaba** » July 25th, 2023, 11:35

Nucom was ok but Nucom 2 I think was great. I am getting tired though of seeing the nucom movement and cover system copied everywhere. More games should be like JA2 but with a bit more transparency regarding firing angle and such.

Post by **1998** » July 25th, 2023, 12:17

Looks like they are very easy to make, so likely never.

Post by **rusty_shackleford** » July 25th, 2023, 12:18

The guy who owned the studio that made Hard West did a talk on how devs copy nu-xcom because it sells, but his games that copied nu-xcom seemed to actually not sell whereas Hard West is remembered for it being rather unique.
The only part of marketing that seems to work is identifying your target demographic, the rest is ********.

Roguey · Post by **Roguey** » July 25th, 2023, 13:39

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 25th, 2023, 12:18
The guy who owned the studio that made Hard West did a talk on how devs copy nu-xcom because it sells, but his games that copied nu-xcom seemed to actually not sell whereas Hard West is remembered for it being rather unique.

While not a nucom clone, the inspiration is pretty obvious when it comes to ui elements and cover.

Additionally he admitted on the Codex that Hard West's success was a fluke because Showgunners was the first game where he actually had the goal of making it fun to play.

Post by **rusty_shackleford** » July 25th, 2023, 13:42

Roguey wrote: ↑ July 25th, 2023, 13:39
Additionally he admitted on the Codex that Hard West's success was a fluke

It means he just didn't understand it.

Emphyrio · Post by **Emphyrio** » July 25th, 2023, 14:32

I like the nucom movement system a lot more than counting AP.

Post by **Tweed** » July 25th, 2023, 15:27

Maybe nucom is truly perfection since no one seems to be able to move past its system.

2factorauth · Post by **2factorauth** » July 25th, 2023, 16:32

maidenhaver wrote: ↑ July 25th, 2023, 11:20
How long do I need to wait?

forever, """tactical""" games are just wargames with more gayass larp so that ******* can project into their little ******* dolls
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Post by **J1M** » July 26th, 2023, 04:01

Humbaba wrote: ↑ July 25th, 2023, 11:35
Nucom was ok but Nucom 2 I think was great. I am getting tired though of seeing the nucom movement and cover system copied everywhere. More games should be like JA2 but with a bit more transparency regarding firing angle and such.

They aren't really tactical games though because the primary skill is triggering only one pack of aliens at a time and then wiping most of them out before they can act.

Hiding behind cover isn't really the same as flanking, opportunity attacks, melee units, degrees of success, and so on.

Post by **The_Mask** » July 26th, 2023, 04:05

Tweed wrote: ↑ July 25th, 2023, 15:27
Maybe nucom is truly perfection since no one seems to be able to move past its system.

It's just simple to understand by idiots, but, depending on the map you make, hard to master.

Which is, usually, the ideal gaming loop.

Half of the fight here, in my opinion, is against human nature.