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A remake of Gothic 1 can never give off the same vibes as the original version, because more abstract ("primitive") visuals affect your mind differently. Compare Silent Hill and Silent Hill 2 to modern horror games, and you'll find a world of difference. Part of that is the monster and environment design, sure, but it's also the less detailed graphics. Things being more representative and abstract helps to convey the feeling of horror and dread a lot better than if everything was shiny and realistic.

We are arguably losing more than we are gaining by the advancement in visuals.
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They have a chance to make Gothic good this time, hope they don't mess it up!
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KnightoftheWind wrote: May 10th, 2023, 03:33
A remake of Gothic 1 can never give off the same vibes as the original version, because more abstract ("primitive") visuals affect your mind differently. Compare Silent Hill and Silent Hill 2 to modern horror games, and you'll find a world of difference. Part of that is the monster and environment design, sure, but it's also the less detailed graphics. Things being more representative and abstract helps to convey the feeling of horror and dread a lot better than if everything was shiny and realistic.

We are arguably losing more than we are gaining by the advancement in visuals.
Are you really sure that this is the case with horror games? Could it not just be that you're older and desensitized, thus they aren't scary anymore? That has to be least be somewhat of a factor. People shit their pants and cried when they saw Poltergeist in the theater back when it was new. People today would give 0 shits.
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The thing about the earlier games, no matter what they are, is that what we remember is filtered through what our minds filled in. What I mean is that Gen X and Boomers had grown up with reading as a main form of entertainment. We had our minds being able to imagine the worlds and actions described within the pages. We took that training of our mind and transposed it to the primitive graphics of early computer games.

I remember MW1 as being this amazing 3D experience where every Unseen Mech was a glorious display and the landscape was beautifully rendered. Looking at the game now we see the primitive polygons and the atrocious landscape for what it is due to the fact that graphic cards can render realistic scenes that remove our need to fill in the blanks. In other words, today's rendering technology has made us stupid in that it removed the required imagination that was needed in the earlier games for true immersion.

Think back to all of the prior games from the 1990s and early 2000s. See how we went from the primitive graphics of Wolfenstein to Duke Nukem 3D in the span of 4 years. Also remember that the artists of the time were trying to make realistic looking scenes on decidedly very pixelated CRT monitors. The art of blending the pixels helped fuel the imagination we had at the time.

All a remaster does is take what we remember in our mind's eye and render it to where the game no longer requires our imaginations to see the world. Some remakes are good and some are just a souless cash grab by untalented people that lack the passion that the original developers had. These untalented people lack the imagination that was required in the earlier development teams and players.

So this ultimately comes down to the fact a remaster can feel like the original, but it won't be the original. You won't have the same reactions or attachment. That's why many of us older gamers have lost interest in new games. The new games show us everything and it becomes just mind numbingly boring like watching tv.
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GhostCow wrote: May 10th, 2023, 03:39
KnightoftheWind wrote: May 10th, 2023, 03:33
A remake of Gothic 1 can never give off the same vibes as the original version, because more abstract ("primitive") visuals affect your mind differently. Compare Silent Hill and Silent Hill 2 to modern horror games, and you'll find a world of difference. Part of that is the monster and environment design, sure, but it's also the less detailed graphics. Things being more representative and abstract helps to convey the feeling of horror and dread a lot better than if everything was shiny and realistic.

We are arguably losing more than we are gaining by the advancement in visuals.
Are you really sure that this is the case with horror games? Could it not just be that you're older and desensitized, thus they aren't scary anymore? That has to be least be somewhat of a factor. People shit their pants and cried when they saw Poltergeist in the theater back when it was new. People today would give 0 shits.
You'd think so, but that isn't the case. I always get a sense of unease playing the older Silent Hills, that I haven't gotten with modern horror games. I've long since past the point of crapping myself in fear, yet Silent Hill 4 is still the scariest game ever made in my eyes, no game even comes close to it. You can even feel something similar playing non-horror titles like Garry's Mod and staring at the liminal spaces of the Source Engine. It's a feeling that only """bad""" graphics can convey. Not to mention the diversity in art styles and character designs that are lost when everything is made to look realistic.
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KnightoftheWind wrote: May 10th, 2023, 01:23
maidenhaver wrote: May 10th, 2023, 00:47
KnightoftheWind wrote: May 9th, 2023, 20:42
I feel that the entire point of a remake is to replace the original, that is the only artistic reason I can think of to even pursue such an endeavour in the first place. If the team involved in the remake is in no way connected to the original members whatsoever, then they should check their egos and "ideas" at the door and strive to emulate the original version in both intent and art direction. Do not strive to alter the original framework beyond recognition, otherwise you might as well be making something entirely new.

That is the difference between the remake of Resident Evil and Metroid Prime Remastered, vs the remakes of Resident Evil 2/3/4 and Final Fantasy VII. While the former can completely supplant the original, the latter cannot because it is a distinct re-imagining. It is the latter type that can seldom be called a "remake", because the ego of it's developers would not allow them to faithfully recreate their respective titles in both intent and art direction. They completely alter the games' story, gameplay, visual design, etc.
Remakes are an important tactic of all cultural revolutions.
In practice and in the year 2023, yes. But in an ideal sense, the purpose to which all developers of remakes should aspire to is to replace the original version. With Resident Evil and Metroid Prime, the only reasons to play their respective OG versions is for historical reasons. Just because you're curious or want to preserve what those games were like as they released. As games and as works of art though, their remakes are for all intents and purposes the definitive editions of both titles. But when devs 'dont' aspire to do good or aren't motivated by reasons other than profit and spreading (((the message))), you get games like Dead Space and Resident Evil 4. Denuvo-infested, ESG-driven products only made for consoomers to purchase and forget about a month or two after the fact. They won't go down as all-time classics, just a thing that happened and was mildly interesting for a time.
Remakes don't exist in an ideal sense: they're either honest loveletters to the original, or they're humiliation rituals.
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The FF7 humiliation ritual was funny though, because it was a big middle finger to people who kept demanding a remake.
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FFX remaster even ruined the story.
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To be clear however, I will always prefer remastering a game rather than remaking it. The former enhances the original with all of it's assets, animations, etc intact. While the latter has to take artistic liberties in attempting to translate lower poly models into a higher definition one. The best remasters are ones made by fans, through source ports or decompiling game code. That's where your OpenMWs and the like come from, and it's why Doom as an IP has remained relevant long past it's sell-by date.

I haven't played FFX and don't ever care to, but devs can and have botched remasters in the past. The best example I can give is the Silent Hill HD Collection and the Jak and Daxter Collection for PS3. If done poorly, a remaster can do the opposite and hurt the original.
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Rats are fleeing the sinking ship.

https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/cy ... rs-3450095
‘Cyberpunk 2077’ director launches new studio with fellow ‘Witcher’ developers

A group of industry veterans who have previously worked on The Witcher series and Cyberpunk 2077 have today (May 31) announced their new studio, Blank. Blank was co-founded by Mateusz Kanik, game director of Cyberpunk 2077, along with The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 executive producers, Jędrzej Mróz and Marcin Jefimow.

The new studio will be applying its years of experience to bring “beautifully crafted games and unique experiences to players, favoring novel territory rather than well-trodden ground (ie. no clones, or predictable entries).”
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Alongside its studio announcement, Blank also shared a piece of concept art for its first unannounced project, which you can view above. The image shows a character-driven game set in an apocalypse, “with a twist or two”.

Kanik will be taking on the role of game director on Blank’s new title, while Mróz and Jefimow will be acting as executive producers. Mikołaj Marchewka will also be joining as the managing director. Blank has also brought on both Michal Dobrowolski as design director and Artur Ganszyniec as narrative director — both of who have a history with CD Projekt Red — with Grzegorz Przybyś set to act as the art director as Art Director.
that picture already looks generic. Like The Walking Dead meets The Last of Us.
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A strong, independant woman! No way!
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After working for years in an increasingly conservative industry, we’re ready to make bold, impactful projects that share our unique creativity and values.
I wonder what this could mean?...
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The new studio will be applying its years of experience to bring “beautifully crafted games and unique experiences to players, favoring novel territory rather than well-trodden ground (ie. no clones, or predictable entries).”

Alongside its studio announcement, Blank also shared a piece of concept art for its first unannounced project, which you can view above. The image shows a character-driven game set in an apocalypse, “with a twist or two”.

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KnightoftheWind wrote: June 2nd, 2023, 03:58
After working for years in an increasingly conservative industry, we’re ready to make bold, impactful projects that share our unique creativity and values.
I wonder what this could mean?...
I means that whoever wrote it is completely divorced from reality.
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Even the company's name and logo is nauseating, and contradictory to their supposed mission statement. It's some abstract, modern "art" piece with what looks to be an all-seeing eye in the centre of it. Combine that with the strong independent woman in the concept art piece, and it's not looking very good.
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Blank like the Tyler Swift song.
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https://www.videogameschronicle.com/new ... -its-team/
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/media/news ... al-update/

CD Projekt Red plans to lay off around 100 staff, ‘roughly 9%’ of its team

"There's no easy way to say this, but we are overstaffed"


In an ‘organisational update’ message posted on the studio’s official website, CD Projekt CEO Adam Kiciński states that the company wants to have “teams that are more agile and more effective” and that after analysing the teams in the company the decision has been made that some are no longer needed.

“We’ve carefully assessed all teams in the company in terms of their expected contribution to the delivery of our strategy,” Kiciński writes. “There’s no easy way to say this, but today we are overstaffed.

“We have talented people on board who are finishing their tasks and – based on current and expected project needs – we already know we don’t have other opportunities for them in the next year.

“The outcome is the studio parting ways with around 100 people, which is roughly 9% of the entire team.

“This will not be immediate as some employees will be let go as late as Q1 2024 but, in the spirit of transparency, we’ve chosen to share the information now. We want team members to have ample time to process and adjust to the change, and we’ve also made sure to offer everyone a comprehensive severance package.”
I wonder if their GOG team got hit. It's probably already stipped down to the skeleton crew, though.
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The_Mask wrote: March 31st, 2023, 23:23
All this does is incentivize the hiring of men. Like... this pretty much sends women back 100, if not 200 years or more, as far as treatment and societal view goes.

The more I process the tweet, the more hilarious I find it, in the sense that feminism has come full circle and is now basically holding women back more than any man could.

Feminism: not even once.
aww some one missed memo that men can get period too. or be pregnant. project kuk had demonstrated that their politics does not affect quality of their products so no worries :D

the fact that there are goyslops out there playing wokekuk77 is pretty sad tho.
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wndrbr wrote: April 1st, 2023, 05:07
btw they basically announced the fourth Witcher game. During the recent investors call Adam Kicinski called their upcoming Project Polaris "The Witcher 4" by accident.
Instead of making cyberpunk they should have capitalized on what they knew and made their own ip with a dark fantasy setting and third person view. If they poured the money that they did into 2077, they probably would have had even more success than they did with W3.
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Element wrote: August 13th, 2023, 13:58
wndrbr wrote: April 1st, 2023, 05:07
btw they basically announced the fourth Witcher game. During the recent investors call Adam Kicinski called their upcoming Project Polaris "The Witcher 4" by accident.
Instead of making cyberpunk they should have capitalized on what they knew and made their own ip with a dark fantasy setting and third person view. If they poured the money that they did into 2077, they probably would have had even more success than they did with W3.
Cyberpunk is the only game they've made that I actually like so this sounds like a shit idea to me.
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RED Engine's swansong.

CD Projekt RED wrote:
We're thrilled to announce that we're working on a mod editor for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt! ⚔️

It will allow you to create your own experiences in the game by making something completely new or editing existing quests and content. We’re planning on releasing it for free in 2024.

Stay tuned — we'll have more to share next year!
Cyberpunk 77 will likely receive a similar modkit later down the line.

No one's gonna bother modding Starfield after this. Todd got mogged again.
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The time for this was 2 years ago, not now.

Not that I think people won't be making mods, but the momentum has been lost.

CDPR doesn't give a shit, this is just another lazy attempt to reclaim community goodwill and rings especially hollow now that they're switching over to Unreal.
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Perfectly normal position for a company that makes single player games.
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Probably an equivalent for sensitivity expert. Perfect job for someone named Karolina Neglectowska
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Roguey wrote: December 4th, 2023, 14:09
Image

Perfectly normal position for a company that makes single player games.
Looks very … italian.
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Looks subhuman, nose too long and chin too weak to be Italian.
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gerey wrote: December 4th, 2023, 15:47
What the fuck is her job even?
Since she's a gaming experience and safety person there are really only two options:

Either she's an enabler for all the fragile gay and trans shit in games, complete with sentitivity readings and trigger warnings OR she has to make sure that the games are literally safe so that none of the retards playing their games strangle themselves with a stray cable.

My money is on option 1.
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gerey wrote: December 4th, 2023, 15:47
What the fuck is her job even?
Pushing leftoid bollocks wherever she can ie. grifting
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gerey wrote: December 4th, 2023, 15:47
What the fuck is her job even?
Pushing leftoid bollocks wherever she can. Grifting.
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