This thread contains information on how pozzed individual RPG titles are. You might not want to pay any money to game studios putting intrusive SJW content into their games and that's what the list is for. This game list is always incomplete, you can improve it by responding in this thread.
Wokeness score
none - Not woke or anti-woke.
mild - Post-2012 North American identity politics ideas mildly present. if you're not too traditional you won't notice it too much unless you go looking for it.
medium - has some offensive woke ideas (such as "pronouns in character creation") but you can gloss over it and enjoy it regardless. Maybe still worth buying for some people.
heavy - worldbuilding, mechanics, dialogue and/or plot heavily informed by wokeness (such as adding penises to women during character creation). It's very difficult not to notice it most the time. Perhaps still good if you don't actively dislike wokeness itself.
pozzed - the whole game revolves around Critical Theory/Queer Theory/tranny/nigger politics. Majorly politically-correct dialogue, zoomer cringe, and so on; for games such as Forspoken.
Opinion weight (for refs)
[1] part of consensus
[2]* partly part of the consensus, but somewhat superseded
[3]** not part of the consensus, but interesting
[4]*** not part of the consensus
- (a single hyphen) opinion generally not needed, but you can provide one if you want to put in the effort
? (a question mark) opinion actively needed
score?, score??, score?? how reliable the consensus is; more question marks the more dubious
todo: I need to move my ass and add it
Twig's Recommendation
it's good for its RPG 'subgenre' (storyfag/C&C/combat heavy/turn-based/rtwp).
studio still exists and is worthwhile to incentivize to make future games possible
studio isn't woke
game isn't more than slightly woke
Green color: Twig's recommendation to buy the game. Yellow color: recommendation to never pay for it. Red color: don't buy it and don't play it either.
In some cases it's not good to pay even for good, non-woke games:
studio has gotten woke since releasing the game (many cases!)
studio was taken over by the publisher and is now comprised of different people (think ZA/UM)
studio's game quality has gotten a lot worse (think Obsidian)
the game's publisher is woke or has a greedy, anti-customer attitude (think EA)
Implications:
Game is pozzed (or any other game by the same studio) ⇒ Studio is pozzed too.
Game is medium or heavily woke ⇒ Studio isn't non-woke.
Talented people got fired and the studio got more woke ⇒ No chance they'll make it, the studio is gone.
Wokeness and left-wing politics:
Economic leftism isn't woke according to this list, unless there's A LOT of unskippable leftism.
Race (including unchecked third-world immigration and indigenous nonsense) sexuality (I'm a strong woman who need no man) and tranny (muh gender identity) nonsense (non to mention '''non-binary''') are woke.
Putting niggers everywhere where it doesn't make sense is woke.
On-the-nose allegories to niggers and trannies are woke (such as Deus Ex: Mankind Divided).
Telling wokeists to fuck off is based for a company. Ignoring them is based too.
Using pre-2008 cultural norms within the game that was released after 2012 is good.
Obama is a war criminal as much as Bush or even worse. If you disagree, you're misinformed or a shitlib. This is meant as a non-woke statement. Excusing him on the basis of being a nigger or half-nigger is somewhat woke.
Woman's suffrage from 17th century to 2023 isn't woke. At worst (in case of heavy-handed pandering) it's mildly woke.
Name
Developer
Refs
Wokeness
Refs
ATOM RPG
not woke?
-
none
-
BG1EE/BG2EE
pozzed (Beamdog)
-
medium-heavy
► 1
added gay and tranny NPCs talking about their sexualities out of nowhere, added an insult to GamerGate supporters into the voiceover
► 2
SharkClub, post: 8588581, member: 11968 wrote:
Aside from the tranny that tells you his life story about how he's a tranny (in a setting where you can magically change gender ala Edwina or the cursed girdle), there's also the gay gnome companion who tries to suck your dick, as well as the rest of Beamdog's faggy companions. The writing in SoD sucks so bad that the most memorable parts of it are the out of place pozzed crap, I barely remember any of the actual story to that game.
The gameplay, maps, itemization and encounter design are quite good though. It's funny how stark a contrast there is between the quality of the gameplay and the quality of the writing.
Baldur's Gate 3
pozzed (Larian)
-
pozzed
► 1
character creation includes adding penises to women, pronoun selection, and a vitiligo slider. has all-bisexual romances, panders to zoophiles
-twig
► 2
Late Bloomer, post: 8583969, member: 30728 wrote:
It's the bestiality fan talking about "being inclusive which is a good thing" Fucking hell dude. No, it isn't. Explain how being inclusive is a good thing. Seriously. It's a ploy to make money. Read about Blackrock and ESG. Games did fine before adding in all this shit. You like it because "inclusivity" includes your fetishes.
► 3
Shaki, post: 8621862, member: 26018 wrote:
There are full length porn movies than have less porn than BG3, and would be considered more wholesome and less degenerate. Amount of mocapped gay sex alone, would probably be longer than most of porn videos. And the sex scenes are just the tip of the mountain of degeneracy this game contains. Zoophilia, feet licking, shit eating, bdsm, drag, trannies, neo-pronouns, written smut, virtue signaling about every single possible woke topic, it has it all and most of it is unavoidable, in your face, and constant through the whole playthrough. Acting like "it's nothing new", is absolutely retarded, this is one thing where BG3 is actually revolutionary, there was never a game so woke and degenerate, in the history of gaming.
Ok, here is a challenge - which of the options here are gay?
In any other game, 1 would be a bro moment.
2 is obviously gay.
3 is kind of weak.
4 seems a little faggy or womanly.
5 is the only straight option, sadly.
You learn pretty quickly from savescumming and trying things out a few times that in a situation like that at least 3 of those options are going to tend towards gay shit. The question is, why is every male-on-male interaction like that? Why can't he just act like a normal Druid? Why can't your male character stay hetero without having to make the dullest kind of response like the last one? [...]
The subtext is clear: if a male wants to be a faggot the world is his oyster, he can slut himself around as much as he wants. If he wants a hetero relationship it has to be hedged about with consent forms - or he can stick his dick in crazy (Froggy).
Battle Brothers
? (indie)
-
none
► 1
Fargus, post: 8589692, member: 14975 wrote:
Bad:
I dont remember any cringe. There is a horsefucker event in the game, but it is more of a joke. He is a degenerate and was left for dead by locals, you dont have to recruit him.
I read that devs were afraid to use the word "Slave" because of NLM riots or something and picked "indepted" instead in their last dlc. Don't know how true this is.
Good:
You lead a band of male mercenaries in a brutal dark fantasy world.
No femoid warrior cringe.
No faggotry.
Fantasy kingdoms based off of medieval Europe and the city states to the south that resemble arabs. One of the crises involves a holy war between them.
Devs never added battle sisters despite the demand on the forum.
Melissa’s indigenous heritage comes from her Nanna’s side (Bernice Woods) from Gnowangerup, WA
500% abbo (actually 1/4th at best)
?
?
Caves of Lore
not woke? (indie)
-
none?
?
Caves of Qud
pozzed (indie)
► 1
bans non-woke users on Discord, bans users who like the templar faction, supports trannies, NLM and other SJW nonsense, a developer being a gay furfag, and a contractor/developer being a convicted pedophile
Caves Of Qud is developed by insane leftists who ban people from their Discord if they like the main villains in their game, and say they've snuck "leftist values and Jewish folklore" into the game.
One dev, apparently a gay furry, went on a rant against the Codex on Twitter because he read me and others posting our dissatisfaction (about the Discord behavior and other twitter rants of theirs) in the Qud thread.
Amusingly, he was butthurt because someone who liked the game said that it was worth pirating.
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They also banned and maligned YouTube gud boi Sseth Tzeentach for doing a video on their game and directing millions of paying customers to their ASCII vaporware that apparently STILL doesn't have a finished main questline yet sending hordes of Nazis to attack their precious Discord.
Funnily enough, in addition to posting about this sort of thing on Twitter repeatedly, the devs also stickied a post trying to imply that they deny most of this, when in reality it basically affirms everything I've written about them.
6. They're so angry all those tweets must be about Sseth
They're not about Sseth, they're about the knock-on dummies who get irate when we tell them they aren't entitled to this _one_ specific space that isn't even contained within the game they bought
7. We're hurting the devs by torrenting the game!!
Not how marketing works
8. You can't talk about the Putus Templar on the discord
There are other works of fiction based on the Jewish mythology such as NGE which isn't woke.
I knew this would be a distraction. I was going to edit it out, but you got it already.
The leftist content is the important part.
Twiglard, post: 8581417, member: 18509 wrote:
Unless there are examples I can't fairly mark it as pozzed.
Other than the dev's own words? I'm not interested in actually playing it any further than I have tbh.
In my book, if a dev says a game is woke, I generally go ahead and mentally mark it as woke. They're literally volunteering for the category.
Star Trek, for example, I generally consider Leftist (old Leftist, not really modern woke), since the writers were openly leftist and put in leftist concepts etc. However, the actual show was repeatedly based, usually unintentionally. But I can't deny that it was written with leftwing ideals.
But if you want gameplay evidence, well, someone who's played more of it will need to volunteer. There are some SJWish NPCs, but nothing I remember stands out. At the very least, I can't say for certain that it's non-woke because of the dev's own words.
Twiglard, post: 8581417, member: 18509 wrote:
I think that the Templar faction is a minor faction and they aren't joinable on the game mechanics side. So Templars aren't treated in any special way.
The issue is also that you can't 'join' them at the start by making that your character, like Water Barons.
edit: you can't start as pt, Theodora. You know that, so quit it with the fake news ratings
► 2
"Q girl is a trans self insert" (there wasn't anyone to insert, and no indication she's trans), she can't be killed because trannies must be protec (she's a main questline NPC and becomes killable after the point of relevance).
The main dev has debunked a bunch of other faleshoods spread around by the people who were trying to rile up sseth's fanbase, but I can't find it rn and haven't time to look further, but it's out there.
I've not played the game a ton, but afaik the only joinable factions are like, your starting race + the MQ, and the devs have been pretty explicit about this. All the shit about joining the templars is just literal shit stirring, like yes you can't be a Qudian Fascist ... but you can't be any number of other things either. And there's a ton of factions in the game. You can become friendly with a bunch, but that is not any different from* in many other RPGs. https://wiki.cavesofqud.com/wiki/Factions
@Twiglard, Caves of Qud devs refuse to let you start as Putus Templar and refuse to entertain the idea, and since the dev in that post said that they put leftist and "Jewish" content in the game, I'm going to have to go with a woke game.
There are other works of fiction based on the Jewish mythology such as NGE which isn't woke.
Unless there are examples I can't fairly mark it as pozzed. Can you find any examples from experience, on the Quck wiki or according to some other online user or influencer?
Haven't played Caves of Quck but I think that the Templar faction is a minor faction and they aren't joinable on the game mechanics side. So Templars aren't treated in any special way. As for general 'leftist' content, hypothetically the mutant stuff may be related to queer theory or cyberpunk but I have no idea how the game handles it.
Twiglard, post: 8591059, member: 18509 wrote:
I think an example of a 'leftist value' and 'queer theory' in the game is tolerance toward mutants. The player character can mutate in arbitrary ways not connected to his species. So it's a 'queer' snowflake. But I don't think it counts as pushingleftist values to have factions tolerant toward the player for making NPCS not frown upon PC's arbitrary mutations.
What it looks like: you can make your character look completely arbitrarily as result of you making metagamey mutations (gills, extra legs, extra eyes etc) for combat effectiveness.
That's too subtle and metaphorical.
Unless you find at least one clear way when they're pushing radlib wokeness, queer theory or (D) retardation I'm not adding it.
► 4*
Theodora, post: 8581288, member: 27565 wrote:
Sseth was trying, intentionally, to be banned. That was his goal. (And he did so as "Activision CEO, Bobby Kotick", lmao.) And he showed all this in his own video.
Nevermind that it's disingenous to act like the mods on a game's discord are going to be the game's developers, but you're also completely lying about the order of events. How exactly did he get banned for "making a video" if he announced his ban in that video?
There's no bad blood, lol.
Colony Ship RPG
none-mild
► 1
Discord forbids 'controversial' topics, VD has nuanced opinions some may consider a bit woke [1]
none
-
Cyberpunk 2077
pozzed (CDPR)
► 1
Darth Roxor, post: 7833860, member: 9536 wrote:
Care to elaboarate since I haven't been keeping up with the CDPR mess?
Some folks I know are running a prominent event agency in Poland, among other things they had a contract with CDP to organise Witcher-themed events (larps mostly). The stupid pandemic hit them very hard and they were very happy to be about to get back on their feet with a bunch of events they had scheduled for this year.
But then last month a minor shitstorm happened in potato internet when it turned out that a person working for this company also works for a Very Controversial (tm) right-wing legal firm that is more or less literally hitler in the public view, which sparked a witch hunt with the obvious intent of cancelling. The thing eventually reached CDP because one retard or another emailed them about it. CDP dropped the contract with the agency immediately, which in effect forced them to shut down, sending what was their livelihood and the result of a very long time of very hard work completely down the drain.
CDP can go ahead and rot for all I care.
► 2
CD Projekt Red’s shaky history with the transgender community has some questioning the studio’s intentions. Last year, it posted a tweet some thought mocked transgender people, according to Kotaku. “Did you just assume their gender?” the studio said in response to a fan who said they wanted to see more “Cyberpunk 2077” content from the “guys.” CD Projekt later deleted the tweet and apologized.
(note: the employee who made that joke likely has been fired)
Developer CD Projekt Red is defending the use of transgender imagery in its highly-anticipated role-playing game “Cyberpunk 2077,” Polygon reports.
CDPR eventually edited the image, making tranny cock less prominent in order to appease trannies.
[Not that any reasonable person wants to see tranny cock on a poster in the first place, but removing it to pander to triggered trannies is even worse, IMO. -twig]
Woke garbage. There is a tab to change pronoun of women to men or it or xir, so you can play as gender transformers
Lord of Riva, post: 8743548, member: 24669 wrote:
The Iron Oath has pronoun selection in their character customisation.
Jagged Alliance 3
?
-
none
► 1**
Lord of Riva, post: 8580397, member: 24669 wrote:
@Twiglard I would say that Jagged alliance 3 by Haemimont is mildly woke, it helps that it is full of stereotypes which makes a lot of the woke stuff less intrusive as it can be played of by the whole absurdity. All the Mercs that are specialised in Mechanics are female, evil characters, to the point I am and I am nearing the end are all males: This includes the Slavemaster in the mines, the nazi creating supersoldiers, the two antagonists, a mob boss and his henchman, a Prison overseer who enslaves people. Additionally there is the presidents daughter who is of course just "good", a literal whore a quest revolves around in which the player is basically forced empower her Gold-digging as good, the "Beast" an elderly women who doubles as basically a freedom fighter and superhero of the local populace.
And there are a lot of Voicelines for Girl power. (To be fair, Steroid brings lines like "I can see the enemy, they look small and girlish" so it's a bit of a Toss up, but he is also borderline retarded)
► 2
Harthwain, post: 8581525, member: 27319 wrote:
Lord of Riva, post: 8581484, member: 24669 wrote:
I fail to see what is wrong with my statements. None of what I said is self-contradictory
It is contradictory that having some women with "girl power" lines makes it woke when you also have "enemy looks small and girlish" (plus some other stuff, as mentioned below), and you're the one bringing it up, no less.
Lord of Riva, post: 8581484, member: 24669 wrote:
A Corazon or a Steroid does not change the rest of what I said, the two antagonists i was refering to are the Major and the Colonel.
There is also Grizzly, who says: "I am still not a fan of women on the front lines, but you're starting to change my mind". It does make your statement/judgement questionable as does the rating of the game on the list, which is the result of Twiglard not being able to fact-check it.
As for "the rest of what you said"... It doesn't make sense to begin with:
All the Mercs that are specialised in Mechanics are female, evil characters, to the point I am and I am nearing the end are all males: This includes the Slavemaster in the mines, the nazi creating supersoldiers, the two antagonists, a mob boss and his henchman, a Prison overseer who enslaves people.
So are evil female mechanics a woke thing? And what are you trying to say later (because it's complete gibberish)? Or did you mean to say that all mercs with mechanical skill are MALE, evil characters? If so, you have to forgive me for being confused here.
Lord of Riva, post: 8581484, member: 24669 wrote:
I think my assesment is fair.
Certainly. Nobody does something, because they think it's a wrong thing to do. They all are good guys.
Lord of Riva, post: 8581484, member: 24669 wrote:
EDIT: From my perspective the whole list is there to help inform people
And that is fine. The problem arises when you see people inject their own bias (in a non-sensical way) to something that is supposed to be informative/objective.
Like when Non-Edgy Gamer was trying to get Caves of Qud rated as woke when there is a distinction between the developers and the game (which, by the way, is a good approach. You still get full info that way and can make sure that games aren't insufferable just because their developers have a certain ideological opinons).
If there's any woke in the game, I haven't seen it. [...] That said, I haven't seen any, and the best faction in game (The Holy Nation) is the polar opposite of woke.
Kenshi has nothing of the sort, and for obvious reasons. It's an indie game, which I can recommend, as the only trouble you may encounter is some performance drops in certain areas. Wokeness is just a diversion and is more commonly implemented in bigger corporate titles; focusing on class war rather than culture war is more pertinent.
No 'diversity' in an arthurian setting, no female knights(just one(?) archer, rest magical types)
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
? (Warhorse)
► 1
refused to add niggers to the game, insulted SJWs (but later apologized)
none
► 1***
Roguey, post: 8578812, member: 11975 wrote:
Kingdom Come Deliverance (gay monk in the cloister, the two main villains are a gay couple, many lamentations over "a woman's lot" in this medieval life, Vavra apologized for his earlier combativeness)
► 2
Lord_Potato, post: 8582288, member: 24525 wrote:
What's the issue with gayness in historical context? In KCD if you do your monastery investigation dilligently you learn one of the monks is gay. Yes, such things happened and monasteries were known to be haven for such people. If anything its historically authentic. So, where in KCD is the big, bad woke?
► 3*
The "A Woman's Lot" DLC contains modern, anachronistic ideas about sex equality.
Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2
? (Warhorse)
► 1
Daniel Vavra makes politically-incorrect posts to Twitter, mainly concerning immigration policy.
-Sinking ship, all the talented seniors who made KCD great are gone or planning to leave and management fails to replace them.
-CEO is not Dan Vavra, the current CEO was put in charge by the pervious private investor and knows absolutely nothing about the gaming industry and game developpement but somehow tells developpers how to do their jobs and is the main reason the company is becoming more and more corporate for a studio that was indie not so long ago.
-Company has a policy of not firing anyone which sounds good but it's terrible as nothing is done for the toxic people and conflicts. Company's approach to conflicts is whoever throws a punch first gets fired or whoever quits first.
-It's useless to work very hard, long hours and put a lot of effort in your work, no one will notice or reward you in any way. Management already declared that they won't do anything between the people who do the minimum effort and clockout the minute they have their 8 hours and those who work until 9pm every day.
medium-heavy?
► 1
Despite claims of historical accuracy, the game features a nigger (a scholar-doctor-explorer no less). The game features a quest where said scholar is unfairly accused of a crime and exonerating him is the optimal solution.
17:48 <OysterSauce[m]> Musa literally can't be killed during his trial. If you fail it, you get hanged instead
► 2
Despite hyping the game as historically accurate, the game designers consciously inserted a Jewish quarter and a synagogue that didn't exist in Kuttenberg.
The writers used these elements in order to preach about the evils of anti-semitism.
► 3
The game retconned an important NPC from the first game into being a homosexual and having him engage in graphic, explicit homosexual conduct together with the player's character.
WARNING: disgusting homosexual content
There are multiple other characters (with less narrative importance) with whom Henry can engage in the alternative lifestyle as well.
► 4
There's even a mention of hermaphrodites, perhaps as a way to pander to trannies. Fortunately, there are no visual depictions of people with DSD/intersex conditions.
Almost all clans/kingdoms are ruled by men, there is only one exception of Rhaega which rules one of the three imperial kingdoms. Almost all units are men. There is just the sisterhood faction which consist of women which are pretty bad units anyway. [...]
No lgbtq [...], character creator also only has woman and man.
40-50% of generals in any medieval setting being women [...]. They actually have to do more work to implement them in this way, and did it anyways. [...] Also, you still fight them all the time, so doesn't matter if only 1/7 faction leaders are (lol) when half the generals you fight are women in full armor. The game treats it like its completely normal. And personally, I fight them enough to notice the disparity in the first place, especially in the early game, so it's not a pure desperation thing either since all the kingdoms are still doing relatively well by that point.
There is no difference in gameplay between army leaders aka Nobles (they are not potentially army leaders, they are by default war leaders, as they are a separate class from the non-combat Ladies class), and clan leaders, beyond the latter simply having larger armies and better gear
Outer Worlds
pozzed (Obsidian)
-
heavy
► 1
► 2
Side quest consisting of finding a date for the '''quirky''' asexual lesbian companion.
Pathfinder WOTR
pozzed (Owlcat)
-
heavy-pozzed
► 1
pandering to deviancy and liberal sacred cows in expository dialogue
- They removed a backer's limerick about a guy who ran off a cliff after discovering he accidentally slept with a man, after a tranny complained.
- There's a complete and total equality in rights between men and women in a supposedly "historically-accurate" setting - it avoids any leftist's idea of controversy. They replaced "races" with "cultures", and any race can be part of any culture. Wars are never based on anything remotely racial/ethnical. Nobody sees ethnicity or race in their game. In rare instances where it happens, you get an imbalanced number of replies when the subject of Orlans is raised (4 "you're a terrible person" vs 1 "yeah orlans are weird"). It's an insipid world that avoids any theme that can trigger a sjw snowflake. At least as far as I played it, which was only about 20 hours.
In short, they're careful about being pozzed. Their games aren't "punch the fash" type, but as if their idea of conservatives never existed or influenced the setting. They're erased.
Skald is full of girlbosses, girl guard captain, girl mercenary leader, girl pirate leader, black bald girl outlaw leader, etc. there is also a lesbian romance between a female drunken bard (lol) and a peasant girl.
- The character's gender is separate from their portrait options, so you can make a female with a male portrait and vice-versa. Possibly be an oversight, as the game does not allow you to put beards on females. There are no stat differences between the two.
- Lots of females in positions of authority, particularly in the criminal elements. There's the count's captain of the guard, at least two bandit leaders, the leader of the thieves' guild, the pirate captain's first mate, and the leader of one of the cult groups in the city.
- There's a quest in Firgol where you have to play matchmaker for a couple of dykes.
- Racial makeup is very cosmopolitan LA. You are in a frontier colony of the empire, so you may find this excusable.
- Lots of females in positions of authority, particularly in the criminal elements. There's the count's captain of the guard, at least two bandit leaders, the leader of the thieves' guild, the pirate captain's first mate, and the leader of one of the cult groups in the city.
- There's a quest in Firgol where you have to play matchmaker for a couple of dykes.
- Racial makeup is very cosmopolitan LA. You are in a frontier colony of the empire, so you may find this excusable.
Solasta
? (indie)
-
medium
► 1
made characters uglier to score brownie points, added illogically present black people to the cast
► 2
Has they-them pronouns in character creation.
Soulash 2
not woke (indie)
-
none
► 1
Got attacked by woke mob who demanded implementing same-sex relationships (in a game that's about building a multigenerational family legacy).
As an organization, we strive to be an equitable, diverse, and inclusive employer. We welcome applications from all qualified persons and encourage women, indigenous peoples, members of visible minority groups, and persons with disabilities to participate in our communities, play our games, and work with our studio.
Added the neutral option to the sex slider supposedly to piss off both sides in the culture war (citation needed).
Somewhat preoccupied with '''deconstructing''' secondary sex characteristics. Why add it into the game if not due to being a wokeist 'fellow traveler'? Perhaps believes that """non-binary""" is something that's real?
Kamaz, post: 8721269, member: 1503 wrote:
luj1, post: 8721064, member: 21299 wrote:
Kamaz, post: 8711253, member: 1503 wrote:
W - stereotypical woman (Scarlett Johansson)
M - stereotypical man (Clint Eastwood)
N - errr...hard to say...neither? (Cowboy Bebop)
Cowboy Bepop? I watched the anime but what a random take
I mean this guy, IMO he is not M -
mild
► 1
non-binary pandering, sex/gender called 'type' to avoid hurting trannies' feelings
Starfield
heavy-pozzed (Bethpizda)
-
medium-heavy
► 1
"Body type" in character creation as an euphemism for character's sex.
"Pronouns" in character creation separate from the character's sex, including a "non-binary" option. Only partially implemented-- voiced NPCs tend to only have male and female variants (need confirmation). Some reports (need confirmation) that "pronouns" tend to be ignored and NPCs address the player character by their sex (aka "body type").
A large proportion of all game NPCs are dark-skinned. There's no ingame explanation given for this.
Competent NPC authority figures tend to be female and/or non-white as some hidden storywriting rule. Foolish, evil, greedy etc. characters overwhelmingly tend to be white men (needs more confirmation and counterexamples).
The game doesn't want to directly flaunt SJW ideology and rub it in the player's face, rather it creates a contrived (perhaps insidiously so) make-believe world where woke conceits are somehow true.
► 2
Late Bloomer, post: 8660706, member: 30728 wrote:
Quest in New Atlantis where genius scientist helping the city is black who has a rival that is white. The white scientist (red hair, blue eyes) is lazy, incapable, and wants the player to commint a crime. He hates the black scientist because he is jealous of him.
The only white male companion has a little niglet adopted daughter attached to him. Raising her to be a strong independant black girl. Of course he can't have his own spot, or a natural born daughter.
Most decorations like posters and signage is black people. If for example there is a white person in the poster they are always backdrop material. Even the cowboy town has this huge mural of negro (like you?) cowboys.
All important characters are either female, or black/mutt/asian. By important I mean in positions of authority, quest givers etc. If you do come across a white male quest giver they are always either up to no good, untrustworthy, or aren't actually white, like that banker mentioned earlier.
► 3
Vic, post: 8662791, member: 25801 wrote:
- several openly gay NPCs that let you know immediately that they are gay
- companions are all bisexual? everbody is bisexual? because there is no gender selection you can romance them all [...]
Vic, post: 8662791, member: 25801 wrote:
other points that I personally don't agree with but are mentioned by others
- there's a female character that was cloned from a man in the game (tranny)
- majority of randomly generated background NPCs are niggers
- overrepresentation of women in positions of power
Game depicts a fictional setting that's been contrived to present men and women as physically and socially interchangeable. The world's logic is intricately designed to reflect Western-progressive politics.
Despite that, the game never directly preaches to the player.
The "woke" part of Tyranny is actually the part where they specifically say that women are the captains at sea, because they're more in tune with the moon(s).
And Kyros' gender being obscured is done on purpose. On the "Anarchist" path, for example, you can find out that Kyros visited the Old Walls at one point in a place where they knew his/her name. Those people were executed. It doesn't matter what gender a tyrant is. A tyrant is a tyrant.
the player doesn't even fully know whether he is male or female has nothing to do with Kyros being non-binary. At the worst, he "may" be a sorceress. But again, most evidence points to him being a man, and none to him being non-binary or queer. This is such a stupid thing to claim in the first place
Kyros is normally referred to as "Kyros" or "The Overlord". The game doesn't even use pronouns when describing him, only his titles [...]. No pronouns =/= nonbinary. [...] And to play the devil's advocate, even if he was a woman, why would it matter? He rules in large part due to his absurd magical ability, not strength or heritage or anything based on physical biology. Female queens and Empresses were not unheard of in antiquity and medieval times either, especially if they hypothetically had world-ending magic at their disposal. You are retroactively applying modern gender politics to something and so come to the same conclusions troons do about past works.
The fact that a character cannot be ambiguous without you automatically thinking of faggots points to liberal brainrot. [...] the game does have woke elements, especially in its DLC, but Kyros is hardly one of them.
Underrail
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based Serbs, don't censor their Discord
Styg (the main developer) is an Orthodox Christian.
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Vendetta: Curse of the Raven's Cry
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journalists claimed that the game was ‘racist, homophobic and misogynistic’
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Fargus, post: 8589692, member: 14975 wrote:
Men and women are 50\50 on the battlefield cringe.
50\50 males and females in the capital brothel.
All women are hideous.
Random faggotry and zoophilia in your squad if youre unlucky with events.
One of the devs is a virtue signalling twerp that preaches modern representation.
c. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"
This is the eleventh mainline game in the Trails series, and the first game set in the Republic Calvard. Calvard was established since the first game in the series as being an expy of the United States - an aggressive, imperialist superpower that justifies its interventions in the name of "freedom", and is in a cold war with the Erebonian Empire which is a Prussia expy undergoing the German Unification by not-Bismarck. Calvard had a violent democratic revolution 100 years ago in which the old monarchy was butchered by opportunists and the world's first modern democratic republic was erected (there might be older democratic republics akin to Rome/Greece/etc from antiquity but almost nothing is none about the governments before the Great Collapse).
a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
In the first five games of the series, Calvard is stated (by Calvardian citizens) to be suffering from a mass influx of foreigners (in the first 10 games the only immigrant race stated is "easterners" who share a generic Chinese/Japanese culture. Kuro retcons in generic Middle-Easterners migrating in too), leading to racial strife.
Ironically both of these characters are Easterners, discussing the negative consequences of immigration. Pulling up the ladder behind them.
In game #5 Ao no Kiseki/Trails to Azure, we find out that there is an organization called the Anti-Immigration League who are gaining popularity amongst the native people of Calvard, and they attempt to assassinate the incumbent President Rocksmith, only to fall into Rocksmith's trap as he was working with a powerful Eastern crime syndicate under the table.
Then you reach game #8 Trails of Cold Steel III, which is when the story begins whitewashing Calvard and presenting it as only a purely good thing. The series stops talking about the consequences of immigration, begins pretending that Calvard isn't also an aggressive expansionist empire, pretends that Calvard wasn't encroaching upon Erebonia's territory, pretends that Calvard didn't send a platoon of soldiers underneath the Imperial Capital in what could only be preparation for a preemptive strike, the bloody revolution was now an unambiguously good thing and the rebels were the good guys with no insinuation otherwise, etc.
And then here in Kuro, you have all of the heroes praising immigration, and the single anti-immigration NPC is presented as a cartoon caricature and vilified. The popular anti-immigration league is never mentioned (apparently they come back in Kuro 2 but aren't given sympathetic POVs like their Erebonian counterpart organization - the Imperial Liberation Front - got across the four Trails of Cold Steel games).
There is also a ludicrous depiction of a small village that somehow still has three distinct races (whites, easterners, and middle-easterners). In a village that small, the three races would have bred together and you would only just have one homogenous group by the present day.
The game also portrays raceswapping historical figures as a positive. In an Oscar winning film about the Joan of Arc expy who led the American/French Revolution that led to the founding of the Republic, the lead actress is portrayed by an Easterner instead of a native Calvardian woman.
In Kuro, we find out that the Eastern crime syndicate, Heiyue, controls an entire city in Calvard (Langport), with tacit approval from the Calvardian government as they do nothing to combat Heiyue. Heiyue characters are portrayed sympathetically, and the game repeatedly touts Heiyue as being "important" to preserving law and order and society as Heiyue is needed to maintain "the balance of power" in the underworld, and keep "evil" crime syndicates from rising. Meanwhile, the white mafia, Almata, is portrayed as unambiguously evil.
I could go on, but I think I've hit the main points. Kuro is a 110 hour long game so you have to put up with a lot of this.
b. Promotion of homosexual relationships
One of the NPC storylines is about a love triangle. At the climax, it is revealed that instead of the two guys both being in love with the same girl, it's actually the two guys being in love with each other (with the girl losing). You do a side quest and bring them together (which you have to do if you since Trails games have a lot of missables, and you really want to do everything to get to get the best gear and to see additional scenes, etc).
For the record, prior Trails games did have gay teases but they were presented as jokes and never actually went anywhere (Anelace's speech in Trails in the Sky SC "accidentally" coming off as a romantic confession to Estelle, Angie finding the girls to be cute and wanting to hug them in Trails of Cold Steel, horseplay where girls grab each other's boobs, etc), but this is the first Trails game that seriously endorses homosexuality.
c. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"
JRPGs are infamous for organized religions usually turning out to be corrupt or a lie, and games climaxing in slaying an being that is coded as being the Abrahamic God. The Trails series was notable for the major presence of a Catholic Church expy (called the Septian Church, which worships the one true goddess Aidios) and not portraying it negatively. The Septian Church was portrayed as legitimate and as the sole practiced religion in Zemuria (we hear about how there were pagans in ancient times but paganism isn't depicted in the present day), though the heroes never pray or are convicted by their belief in the goddess and her testaments, not even the protagonist of Trails in the Sky the 3rd who is a priest.
In Kuro, a new god named "Alusha" is suddenly introduced (having never before been mentioned in this 1,000+ hour long series, not even in the prior game that came out one year before), with the religion being Islamically coded (architecture, clothing, primarily practiced by the newly introduced Middle-Easterner race, etc). However, the NPCs bear the badges of the Septian Church and use the same terminology of Father/Sister, and insist that Alusha is Aidios.
Apparently there is a mosque inside the not-Vatican city.
In the same game, the situation is also replicated with two generic Asian/Buddhist looking temples dedicated to the brand new "Heavenly Mother", who the NPCs again insist is actually just another name for Aidios.
Kuro 1 doesn't go further into this Alusha and Heavenly Mother stuff than those screenshots above. Maybe there is nothing sinister here and it's justlikea ChineseChristian'sdepictionof Jesus, but given how the rest of the game has swerved towards promoting the usual globalist/death cult mantras, I would not be surprised if this is part of the same push. Will have to see where this goes in future games.
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Thankyou for this. I like how you also provided examples and not just a subjective verdict. That's a lot of work.
Also add a "Fixed by mods" column, maybe? So people know that they can pirate and easily fix a game to make it palatable enough (if it's something they generally enjoy, otherwise), or just outright avoid.
Thankyou for this. I like how you also provided examples and not just a subjective verdict. That's a lot of work.
Also add a "Fixed by mods" column, maybe? So people know that they can pirate and easily fix a game to make it palatable enough (if it's something they generally enjoy, otherwise), or just outright avoid.
Yeah I also missed that. BG3 for example is fixable by RPGHQ's mods, gotta promote our own shit whenever possible
Woman's suffrage from 17th century to 2023 isn't woke.
You lost me.
I love the table. There are a few places where I'd have recommendations to add for individual titles (like the purely virtue signaling pronoun addition to Solasta at release). Is there a way you want that handled?
A request for @rusty_shackleford: Would it be possible to get sort/filter capabilities for tables? Don't know if it's possible with php. I also realize that would be a very niche request.
There are a few places where I'd have recommendations to add for individual titles (like the purely virtue signaling pronoun addition to Solasta at release). Is there a way you want that handled?
Post in this actual thread as to what you'd like to be changed or added.
@twig maybe split it into two tables, one for woke and another for anti-woke?
If there's an effort to promote anti-woke and anti-establishment games, it should be its own campaign in order to be more persuasive.
I think he means just so it's easier to read / filter. Anything explicitly anti-woke or just not woke at all shouldn't really be mixed.
Anything that's even PARTIALLY woke (one-drop) should of course go in woke table.
Again, thanks for this. Despite them being so confident nowadays a lot of stuff still practices "bait & switch", same with seasons of show, it's ALWAYS the second season that they really ramp it up. Without info like this it's easy to buy a game, demo or even pirate to play a bit, think it's fine then get rammed with the bullshit later. This just makes it easier to ignore those entirely (if not fixed by mods).
It's pretty amazing how much of a difference this actually makes to my enjoyment of games.
I've just started a Solasta playthrough for the first time, and during character creation it offers a "Pronoun" option. Even though I'm enjoying some aspects of the game (it's running at around a 7, maybe 7.5/10 game for me at the mo after around 10-ish hours) that Pronoun option has stuck with me and stopped me from forming a real connection with the game. Even if this goes on to be brilliant, I still won't ever have it as a fave because it feels grounded in dreg-society Real World 2020's due to that shit.
I wouldn't ever recommend anyone buy this game now either, it's a pirate-at-best shout. All because of the gay AF "Pronoun" option. Pretty pathetic stuff really.
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It's pretty amazing how much of a difference this actually makes to my enjoyment of games.
I've just started a Solasta playthrough for the first time, and during character creation it offers a "Pronoun" option. Even though I'm enjoying some aspects of the game (it's running at around a 7, maybe 7.5/10 game for me at the mo after around 10-ish hours) that Pronoun option has stuck with me and stopped me from forming a real connection with the game. Even if this goes on to be brilliant, I still won't ever have it as a fave because it feels grounded in dreg-society Real World 2020's due to that shit.
I wouldn't ever recommend anyone buy this game now either, it's a pirate-at-best shout. All because of the gay AF "Pronoun" option. Pretty pathetic stuff really.
Solasta is even worse because it was added right before release after they already got kickstarter & early access money.
Well, Hades has homosexuality, mannish women, and makes several of the Greek gods dark-skinned, so it's at least a medium according to the rating scale.
One thing I'll add and that isn't an excuse it's just a statement of fact. You can't have non-woke game set in something like d&d as the currently supported settings for it are already woke and I don't think Hasbro will let you use them license with some legacy shit attached(maybe I'm wrong though).
Pillars of Eternity was a heartbreak for me. I did not remember/notice all of this when I played, but just because they removed the dialogue about a man killing himself in shame (which is actually what happens, where is the "representation"!?) it has lost the place I had for it in my heart, much like how Baldur's Gate 3 lost it some time during Early Access. I am so tired of being disappointed and stabbed in the back Thank you ever so much for this list twig, this should be a must-read for anyone getting into pc games.
One thing I'll add and that isn't an excuse it's just a statement of fact. You can't have non-woke game set in something like d&d as the currently supported settings for it are already woke and I don't think Hasbro will let you use them license with some legacy shit attached(maybe I'm wrong though).
I tried my hand at being a Dungeon Master for D&D in the past, and I immediately switched from 5e to the earlier eras, until I just decided "fuck it" and made my own thing. When I read online for stats or inspiration, I noticed they are corrupting the Forgotten Realms wiki with nonsense, changing old entries and adding "gender" instead of sex whenever possible, and have heard that "officially hosted games" or any such thing must follow a code or something (and yes, the code is "inclusivity" and all that nonsense). I believe they even tried to force anyone playing D&D to follow their rules for inclusivity in their own private games.
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Solasta is even worse because it was added right before release after they already got kickstarter & early access money.
Baldur's Gate 3 did a similar thing, pronouns weren't added till after it left early access.
Trannyshit was added during early access
I sailed the seas and played the early access version from July or August 2022, didn't know they added tranny shit in December 2022. Those poor fools that purchased this before December got fucked by the classic bait and switch.
Baldur's Gate 3 did a similar thing, pronouns weren't added till after it left early access.
Trannyshit was added during early access
I sailed the seas and played the early access version from July or August 2022, didn't know they added tranny shit in December 2022. Those poor fools that purchased this before December got fucked by the classic bait and switch.
I never liked the idea of Early Access. Though it could allow the players to, essentially, have a hand in the direction of the game in theory, it is essentially, in my opinion, free unpaid labor as beta testers, with no guarantee the developers will ever finish, because they are being payed in advance for their product, now I like the idea even less when they know "what sells", a game, and they deliver shit build by misplaced good-will instead. Fuck them.
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Woman's suffrage from 17th century to 2023 isn't woke.
Are you insane?
I think to some extent this is attributable to the idea that the suffragettes were indeed a force for social change that most people accept as a net benefit eg. the Vote for everyone.
That this is not true eludes many just as much as the fact that they were terrorist zealots using bombs and gynocentrism to reach their unfounded goals.
He is correct though, the moment we put in even things like "women being equal" on the woke list, everything would be on it.
Personally I think the depiction of the Suffragettes in Red Dead redemption 2 is certainly woke, not only inaccurate but especially there to preach to the players for example but the idea that games depict egalitarian societies just reflects (current) reality and should not be seen as something "progressive"
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Thank you ever so much for this list twig, this should be a must-read for anyone getting into pc games.
